[Mb-civic] Go easy on Blair

[Jack Sullivan]

Dear Mr Burger:

Slowly, like a snail racing across the yard, the Cheese is thawing to a discussion re: the desirable character of world class leader.

In response to Jeffrey Sachs, the US economist, who is in the UK for the G8 summit, who wrote about Blair:


Tony Blair showed true leadership yesterday when he declared that the work
of the G8 summit in addressing poverty and global climate change was now
more important than ever, that the terrorists would not deflect the work of
the political leaders in addressing deep economic and ecological problems
that gravely threaten the planet and that stoke the violence and conflicts
of our times. 

And you wrote:

Personally, I could never lower myself to write such slop about those 2, or
several other, "great world leaders".  Such "praise", at least for Bush,
remains not only unwarranted, but a continuing catalyst to propel such a man
who, at least here in America, has fashioned a system to make the poor more
poor and the rich Gods, if they are not already.  I, personally, don't seem
to have very much admiration for very many "world leaders" these days, G8,
etc etc etc, seeing as they got us into all this crap to begin with.  I also
don't think I would describe "the Iraq war" as "gravely misconceived and
dangerous".  While that is a pretty good description of it, it remains a
giant Understatement of the actual situation, as American G.I.s continue to
come back in body bags, and one-hundred thousand Iraqi Civilians remains
buried somewhere underneath the dirt.

I note Jeffery's suggestion, so apropos mine - before London, that Blair is a leader when we need one.
A Cheesy negative sentence avoids a protein-rich constructive analysis.
Could you perhaps take some time and mull over what you positively expect in an elected, world-class leader if you meet one?

In a time-space continuum, is destruction in Iraq any different than destruction elsewhere - say Hiroshima Japan?

Dublinjack






From: "Cheeseburger" <maxfury at granderiver.net>
To: "mb-civic" <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 8:35 PM
Subject: [Mb-civic] Go easy on Blair


> Re:  Go easy on Blair
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> Jack wrote:
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> Ian & Mr Cheese:
> 
> Thank you for yet another reminder of the downside of being a paid soldier;
> frankly I never understood the upside.
> 
> If we had a chairman, better discipline in the discussion would prevail. So
> should we restrain ourselves and embrace a discussion using relevance and
> materiality?
> 
> My point of discussion, for which I seek a response is:
> 
>         "Tony Blair is simply the most effective and modern and reliable
> elected politician in the world today."
> 
> I suggest the world standard for such an accolade is:
> 
>   a.. the man's vision toward the world (democratic),
>   b.. the manner of his public demeanour and behaviour (savvy), and
>   c.. that the leader's feelings are about the commonweal, generally and
> usually.
> 
>      I suggest about Blair:   "His vision is democratic; his politics savvy;
> and his feelings are deeply rooted in the commonweal."
> 
> Would you care to address your thoughts about leadership standards of the
> world's leaders in these or other relevant terms?
> Do you think using these terms there is a better elected leader on the
> planet's world stage?
> 
>  I reference Roosevelt and Truman - both world players who killed many
> earthlings.
> Truman's use of the bomb is still a debate topic.
> 
> We know life is transient. Listen to Blair yesterday in the midst of a visit
> from the dark side.
> 
> Can political life be meaningful? Is cynicism functional?
> 
> Dublinjack
> 
> PS Thanks for correcting my typos
> =========
> 
> 
> 
> If Ian, or anyone else, wishes to address the above questions, I will let
> them do so.  Rather, I will address where it all came from to begin with.
> 
> I was in the middle of calling Blair an ass for his involvement in this new
> improved "Iraq War", where 100,000 Iraqi civilians remain buried under the
> ground there, and American G.I's continue to come back in body bags from
> over there.
> 
> And you stepped in stating, or wishing to discuss, what a "great leader"
> Blair is.
> 
> I, again, reiterate, that while Blair might surely be "a great leader" (I
> don't really know, I haven't researched Blair's actions on mainland Britain
> that much yet), he remains an ass for his involvement in, participation in,
> and perpetuation of "The Iraq War".
> 
> He stood shoulder to shoulder with Bush, a now relatively well-recognized
> American Abomination, all the way down the line, lies, deceptions, bombs,
> dead bodies, and all.
> 
> That particular choice of his, my friend, makes Blair an Ass.
> 
> Maybe he's just Half of an Ass since he is such a "great leader on mainland
> Britain".
> 
> Either way, our people keep coming back in body bags from Iraq, and partly,
> a very BIG part, due to Blair's Decisions in the entire matter.
> 
> That anyone might wish to soften Blair's approval of, participation in, etc,
> this "Iraq War", which has wound up costing billions, lives, reputations,
> etc, and created an actual breeding ground for "Terrorism" itself, by saying
> he had a long standing political obligation to uphold international ties and
> goodwill with "American Allies", still will never sit well with me.
> 
> An illegal, concocted war, based on deceptions, lies, misdirections, etc etc
> etc, remains just that.
> 
> And dead bodies of innocent people thrown into the mouth of Death in such a
> concocted War, remains just that, dead bodies.
> 
> And an Ass remains an Ass.
> 
> Half an Ass, or a complete one.
> 
> Other than that, maybe he's a really cool guy, I wouldn't know, I've never
> met him.
> 
> Again, some people look at "great world leaders" and they see progress,
> benevolence, democratic ways, light, hope, etc.
> 
> The first thing I look for is whether they are soaked in blood of Innocents.
> 
> In this particular case, Blair, just like Bush, remains soaked from head to
> toe, in Blood.
> 
> Apparently great world leaders at The Top bathe much more frequently than
> the rest of us here at The Bottom.
> 
> That would explain a lot of things.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Cheeseburger
> 
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