[Mb-civic] "Marriage" was invented by MEN

[richard haase]

they banned homosexuality because of a high infant mortality rate; they did
not want potential workers to vanish in another man; they wanted the
prolitariat to make as many babies/workers possible; this is what i think
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lyle K'ang" <lyve at netzero.com>
To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 4:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] "Marriage" was invented by MEN


>
> Ian,
>
> Give me the Exact quote in the NEW TESTAMENT where Jesus says that
homosexuality is a sin...
>
>
> Lyle K'ang,
> Tools for a Brighter Tomorrow: http://www.SiloManagement.com
> A Healing Treasure: http://Lyve-Oasis.com
>
> -- "Ian" <ialterman at nyc.rr.com> wrote:
> Lyle:
>
> Blessings and Peace.  I am not certain of the logic of this woman's
> argument.  She claims that the church banned homosexuality because they
> could not profit from it, or tax it.  Assuming this is true, how was the
> church "profiting from" and taxing "normal" marriage?  And if they were
> doing so, would it not simply have made sense for them to permit
homosexual
> marriage so that that they COULD profit from it and tax it?  It would have
> made little sense to ban it for that reason, since they could easily have
> profited from it if they had not banned it.
>
> No, the ban on homosexuality was not a matter of profiting or taxing,
since
> simply permitting it would have rendered that issue moot.  The ban was a
> strictly Scriptural one, in as much as both the Old and New Testaments
> clearly state that homosexuality is a sin.  One can agree or disagree with
> the Scripture, but that IS what is says.
>
> As an aside, I take issue with her comment that if Christianity didn't ban
> homosexuality, "they would figure out that there would be more women to go
> around."  First, she is making a fallacious assumption that all Christians
> are men, or even that all Christians who are "threatened" by homosexuality
> are men; she is completely discounting the millions of Christian women who
> also consider homosexuality morally wrong.
>
> Second, her comment is offensively flip, since she clearly does not
> understand that Christian men (if they are indeed truly living a Christian
> life, whether single or married) would not be interested in the fact that
> there might be "more women," since truly Christian men do not think that
> way.
>
> Again, one can disagree with the church's teachings.  But one should have
> better support for their positions than statements that exclude one-half
the
> Christian population (women), and flip comments that only show how shallow
> their own thinking is.
>
> Peace.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Lyle K'ang" <lyve at netzero.com>
> To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:39 PM
> Subject: [Mb-civic] "Marriage" was invented by MEN
>
>
> >
> >
> > Subject:  The "STATE" needs to get out of marriage
> > From:     Docktermd (DOCKTERMD)
> > DateTime: 11/18/2004 1:21:23 AM
> >
> > During my career in the U.S. Navy I had to give many classes on personal
> > security. Since we all held extremely high level security clearances,
the
> > reality of blackmail was possible, due to "aberrant" behavior.
> > One of those behaviors was homosexuality. All the male sailors would
feign
> > retching and disgust when I began the section on homosexuality. I,
> however,
> > brought them up short by asking, "How many of you guys have enjoyed
> > watching movies where two women have sex?"
> > The standard response was, "Oh, but that's different!" I asked,
> > "How is that different? How many of you have fantasized being the guy in
a
> > threesome? How many of you just got hot and bothered and excited when I
> > mentioned it?"
> > There was a lot of squirming, and even some red faces, when I explained
> that in
> > such a scenario the guy was a participant in a "homosexual act." Oh!
> > The uproar! "They" would NEVER participate in a "homosexual
> > act!"
> > Then I explained that even by just watching such a movie they were also
> tacitly
> > participating in a homosexual act.
> > Then I asked, "How many of you think your wife or girlfriend should get
> > turned on by watching such a movie with you?" Utter silence, guilty
faces.
> > I also asked, "What if your wife/girlfriend brought home a movie
> > where the woman was part of a threesome, and expected YOU to get turned
on
> > by watching?" To a man, the response was, "That's disgusting! She'd
> > better not EVER bring filth like that into MY house!"
> > So, I asked, "What is the difference?" Sorting out their mumblings, I
> > heard, "Two guys? Those guys have to be  f a g s!  I feel
> > like puking just thinking about it!"
> > "So why do you get upset when your wife/girlfriend doesn't want to watch
> > two women together," I asked. "But, that's different!" they all
> > said.
> > I learned that one cannot teach a brick wall ANYTHING! Especially when
it
> > only thinks with the brain below the belt.
> > I am a woman, and most of the Sailors in my class were men. The women
just
> sat
> > there, nodded their heads, and threw disgusted looks at the men.
> > "Marriage" was invented by MEN - as a formalization of
> > selling chattel, by one man to another. Religion got involved as a way
to
> > control the masses, and of course to make money.
> > I believe, with all my heart, that two people who love each other -
> regardless
> > of gender - should be allowed to formalize their relationship.
Government
> and/or
> > politics should have NO SAY in the definition of their relationship, and
> > formalization thereof.
> > The Ban on Gay Marriage proposition was on the ballot here in Oklahoma.
I
> voted
> > against it. I have spoken to several people who thought they had voted
FOR
> gay
> > marriage, when they actually marked the AGAINST block. I told them that
I
> hoped
> > they would read the ballot more closely next time, and they said they
> certainly
> > would.
> > I can't fathom why "christian" males feel SO threatened by
> > homosexuality. If they really gave it some thought, they would figure
out
> that
> > there would be more women to go around! But, let's not mention that, OK?
> They go
> > "through" enough women as it is.
> > I was talking with a woman whose son is in Iraq. She told me, "My son
told
> > me that homosexuality is totally accepted over there, and they only use
> women
> > for procreation. That can't be right, can it?" I assured her that he is
> > correct. I also reminded her that Iraq and that area is the "cradle of
> > civilization" and that not much has changed in thousands of years.
> > Homosexuality has been a constant throughout time immemorial. The
> > "church" only "banned" homosexuality when they realized
> > there was no way to  profit from, or tax it.
> > Fear of homosexuality is a modern "invention" or notion, and one
> > which we could surely do without.Fair winds and following seas!
> > Doc
> >
> >
> >
> > Lyle K'ang,
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> > A Healing Treasure: http://Lyve-Oasis.com
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