[Mb-civic] "Marriage" was invented by MEN

[Lyle K'ang]

Ian,

Give me the Exact quote in the NEW TESTAMENT where Jesus says that homosexuality is a sin...


Lyle K'ang,
Tools for a Brighter Tomorrow: http://www.SiloManagement.com
A Healing Treasure: http://Lyve-Oasis.com 

-- "Ian" <ialterman at nyc.rr.com> wrote:
Lyle:

Blessings and Peace.  I am not certain of the logic of this woman's
argument.  She claims that the church banned homosexuality because they
could not profit from it, or tax it.  Assuming this is true, how was the
church "profiting from" and taxing "normal" marriage?  And if they were
doing so, would it not simply have made sense for them to permit homosexual
marriage so that that they COULD profit from it and tax it?  It would have
made little sense to ban it for that reason, since they could easily have
profited from it if they had not banned it.

No, the ban on homosexuality was not a matter of profiting or taxing, since
simply permitting it would have rendered that issue moot.  The ban was a
strictly Scriptural one, in as much as both the Old and New Testaments
clearly state that homosexuality is a sin.  One can agree or disagree with
the Scripture, but that IS what is says.

As an aside, I take issue with her comment that if Christianity didn't ban
homosexuality, "they would figure out that there would be more women to go
around."  First, she is making a fallacious assumption that all Christians
are men, or even that all Christians who are "threatened" by homosexuality
are men; she is completely discounting the millions of Christian women who
also consider homosexuality morally wrong.

Second, her comment is offensively flip, since she clearly does not
understand that Christian men (if they are indeed truly living a Christian
life, whether single or married) would not be interested in the fact that
there might be "more women," since truly Christian men do not think that
way.

Again, one can disagree with the church's teachings.  But one should have
better support for their positions than statements that exclude one-half the
Christian population (women), and flip comments that only show how shallow
their own thinking is.

Peace.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lyle K'ang" <lyve at netzero.com>
To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:39 PM
Subject: [Mb-civic] "Marriage" was invented by MEN


>
>
> Subject:  The "STATE" needs to get out of marriage
> From:     Docktermd (DOCKTERMD)
> DateTime: 11/18/2004 1:21:23 AM
>
> During my career in the U.S. Navy I had to give many classes on personal
> security. Since we all held extremely high level security clearances, the
> reality of blackmail was possible, due to "aberrant" behavior.
> One of those behaviors was homosexuality. All the male sailors would feign
> retching and disgust when I began the section on homosexuality. I,
however,
> brought them up short by asking, "How many of you guys have enjoyed
> watching movies where two women have sex?"
> The standard response was, "Oh, but that's different!" I asked,
> "How is that different? How many of you have fantasized being the guy in a
> threesome? How many of you just got hot and bothered and excited when I
> mentioned it?"
> There was a lot of squirming, and even some red faces, when I explained
that in
> such a scenario the guy was a participant in a "homosexual act." Oh!
> The uproar! "They" would NEVER participate in a "homosexual
> act!"
> Then I explained that even by just watching such a movie they were also
tacitly
> participating in a homosexual act.
> Then I asked, "How many of you think your wife or girlfriend should get
> turned on by watching such a movie with you?" Utter silence, guilty faces.
> I also asked, "What if your wife/girlfriend brought home a movie
> where the woman was part of a threesome, and expected YOU to get turned on
> by watching?" To a man, the response was, "That's disgusting! She'd
> better not EVER bring filth like that into MY house!"
> So, I asked, "What is the difference?" Sorting out their mumblings, I
> heard, "Two guys? Those guys have to be  f a g s!  I feel
> like puking just thinking about it!"
> "So why do you get upset when your wife/girlfriend doesn't want to watch
> two women together," I asked. "But, that's different!" they all
> said.
> I learned that one cannot teach a brick wall ANYTHING! Especially when it
> only thinks with the brain below the belt.
> I am a woman, and most of the Sailors in my class were men. The women just
sat
> there, nodded their heads, and threw disgusted looks at the men.
> "Marriage" was invented by MEN - as a formalization of
> selling chattel, by one man to another. Religion got involved as a way to
> control the masses, and of course to make money.
> I believe, with all my heart, that two people who love each other -
regardless
> of gender - should be allowed to formalize their relationship. Government
and/or
> politics should have NO SAY in the definition of their relationship, and
> formalization thereof.
> The Ban on Gay Marriage proposition was on the ballot here in Oklahoma. I
voted
> against it. I have spoken to several people who thought they had voted FOR
gay
> marriage, when they actually marked the AGAINST block. I told them that I
hoped
> they would read the ballot more closely next time, and they said they
certainly
> would.
> I can't fathom why "christian" males feel SO threatened by
> homosexuality. If they really gave it some thought, they would figure out
that
> there would be more women to go around! But, let's not mention that, OK?
They go
> "through" enough women as it is.
> I was talking with a woman whose son is in Iraq. She told me, "My son told
> me that homosexuality is totally accepted over there, and they only use
women
> for procreation. That can't be right, can it?" I assured her that he is
> correct. I also reminded her that Iraq and that area is the "cradle of
> civilization" and that not much has changed in thousands of years.
> Homosexuality has been a constant throughout time immemorial. The
> "church" only "banned" homosexuality when they realized
> there was no way to  profit from, or tax it.
> Fear of homosexuality is a modern "invention" or notion, and one
> which we could surely do without.Fair winds and following seas!
> Doc
>
>
>
> Lyle K'ang,
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> A Healing Treasure: http://Lyve-Oasis.com
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