[Mb-civic] Angels? Richard

Mon Jan 10 16:51:32 PST 2005

YOU said you were an atheist
growing up my dad was and died an atheist
he was the most godly man imaginable
im sure hes in heaven if there is one
and my mom was agnostic
so
im jewish and a born again christian
but dont think anyone has a monopoly on god
and certainly dont let religion get in the way of my fun
lol
richard haase in nyc
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Lyle K'ang 
  To: mb-civic at islandlists.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 7:13 PM
  Subject: [Mb-civic] Angels? Richard

  I guess I'm an agnostic because they believe in so many things but not the peddled religions and interpretations.

  I cannot say that I don't believe in angels. Maybe you're thinking about aetheists whom do not believe in God.

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  youre an atheist who believes in bright angels lyle?
  thats a little unusual
  lol
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Lyle K'ang 
    To: mb-civic at islandlists.com 
    Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 12:22 AM
    Subject: [Mb-civic] Self-Agrandizing? Re: To Lyle

    Tiny Bubbles in the Wine...Makes me happy, makes me feel fine...

    Hey what's up guys...as an aethist I believe in many things spiritual but not necessarily a Being or a God like Person. I do know however, that there exists an Energy, a Form, a Discipline and/or a Higher Order.

    I do not know if there is a GOD, whether SHE or HE or FORM has GENDER. I personally doubt it though.

    I do believe that there is a Counsel of Judges, EVIL and BRIGHT angels as well.

    I wish I could be more specific to help you out Ian, but I just have not had a chance nor been given free passage to find out and report back.

    1,000,000,000 people you say are going upward-why upward? Where are they going too? Why do you think these 'saved' people are going, when they on earth right now, are very mean like you and not very humble even if you were 100% correct-which by the way, you are most definetly not.

    I suppose some of us have the inside tract-pretty nice to be sitting on the right hand of him-eh?

    I forget that scripture-as a matter of fact, many people don't even know the scriptures, especially those that perished in the tsunami. I wonder if you think they're going to heaven or not? Probably not -eh? I mean they are not even Christians. Someone told me once that they would get a chance in Heaven to choose Christianity and be saved. WOW! That sounds just like a used car salesman here on earth.

    If I know the scriptures real good, does that mean I get a ticket to stand in line, next to you for the rapture? What if I'm a dirty hobo?I'm not making fun here -I'm saying you are sounding like YOU know there's a God right behind that Comet-so let's all take this drug and we'll all meet in heaven. Sounds kinda far-fetched Ian.

    I'm still waiting for you to come around and be reality driven instead of telling my friends that they are self-agrandizing, and speaking to me as if I'm a lunatic or heretic. This is not 450 A.D. not the 15th Century-it's going on the 21st last I checked, and don't think I'm going to be tortured by the high Christian priests either.

    One last thing-The last time I checked, Christ was not coming because people are immoral towards one another and others pretend they are morally clean when they are not. These people pretend they are followers of Christ and many of them are not nice people. If he came then he would have to take away our free will-he won't do that Ian-that's not the Christ I know.

    You use to sound nice-maybe you can be nice again to us all-but I suppose you have a lot of stress on you because it seems you have to be out there proving something that's non-provable.

    Why don't you be content with who you are and what you know-just like a Buddha and meditate on the Universe-I do this too-even aetheists meditate like Buddhas. Buddhas don't worship Buddha you know-that's a form of idolatry just as worshipping Jesus Christ is.

    Many well-formed and ancient religions worship the essence of the Spirit. Oh well, forgive me for caring...Ian, don't forget to answer my references and questions on scripture quotation I gave you over three weeks ago.

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    please dont call me self aggrandizing and then say peace
    not at all
    i have a profound problem with certain aspects of organized christianity claiming a monopoly on god
    and when you were talking about abjuring the scriptures etc
    it just came across as sarcasm
    but please dont insult me
    as that was not my motivation at all
    ( and aggrandizing how? )
    what would i get out of it?
    respectfully i dont find your comments in this instance  make much sense

    peace to you too
    richard haase
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Ian 
      To: mb-civic at islandlists.com 
      Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 8:15 PM
      Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] To Lyle

      richard:

      If you will note, I deliberately invited Lyle (and, by extension, anyone else, including you) to "feel free to ignore or disdain [the Judeo-Christian] Scripture."  Thus, your comments are entirely unnecessary, except for self-aggrandizing purposes.

      Peace.
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: richard haase 
        To: mb-civic at islandlists.com 
        Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 7:54 PM
        Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] To Lyle

        Ian the christian scriptures are not the only ones
        and not the only ones that are true
        christians do not have a monopoly on god
        and in my opinion
        that is the great blasphemy of organized christianity
        christianity is a true and just path to god
        but there are others
        including the virtuous atheism
        there is no doubt in my mind that a virtuous atheist
        goes to heaven

        peace

        richard haase in nyc

          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Ian 
          To: Civic 
          Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 7:02 PM
          Subject: [Mb-civic] To Lyle

          Lyle:

          Blessings and Peace.

          Simply for the record, I think I know where you came up with the "150,000" number.  If so, you are mixing things up.

          Revelation states that, just after the "church" is Raptured (leaving no "Christians" on earth), 144,000 people (not 150,000) - 12,000 from each of the 12 original tribes of Israel - will become "super-evangelists," and will bring as many or more people "to Christ" during the "end times" (i.e., the last seven years) than believed in Christ prior to the Rapture - perhaps 1,000,000,000 or more.

          Feel free to ignore or disdain Scripture.  But when you do cite it, please try to do so correctly.

          Peace.

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