[Mb-civic] IRAN AND US-AT THE ABYSS

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Re:  IRAN AND US-AT THE ABYSS




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What would I have done? After exhausting every possible negotiation and
maneuver and as opposed to war as I am, I would have invaded Iran instead of
Iraq. If we are going to follow our strategic interests that would have been
the most pragmatic action.

A Bush-like administration will probably do it anyway... if we are
doubtfully capable after the debacles of Afghanistan and Iraq.
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Yes, "we" are capable.  Although our Top now knows it is political suicide
to push further into Iran, they don't care, they're The Top, and whether
they have to spread our military 20 miles between each G.I., we are probably
going in anyway, to the detriment of the world, and to the sweet march music
to "The End" of life as we even barely imagine it if they do go into Iran.

Just my personal dismal premonition of the results.  Yeah, sure, they're
developing nukes, and they're wacko ruthless theocratic extremist etc, but
if go in there, it's going to explode "the situation" that is so exploded
already all around the world like it was Christmas for "Terrorist Acts".

*That* is scarier to think about than what is going on in Iraq, at least to
me.

It's like the world is mad already, but if we go into Iran, it is going to
get really pissed off on top of its insanity.

That makes me shudder and not want to hope anymore about several things.

Kind of like so many people in Iran are doing today as you describe how it
is there.

Beautiful writing, the entire thoughts, straight from your personal
experiences.

I feel tragic ahead of time for the 10's or 100's of thousands of Iranian
civilians that will be snuffed out like it was nothing though, just like I
feel for those that it happened to in Iraq.

Are my feelings relevant to anything...?  I do not know.

I do know madness when I see it though, at least sometimes, and nuclear
weapons in the current Iranian regime is not a good thing, and killing a few
100 thousand Iranian civilians in the process of removing the nuclear
capability from them does not seem like a good thing either, neither does
exploding the new "Terrorist Breeding Ground" in Iraq to Iran, and thus
easily seen, to the world, seem like a good thing either.

If one could only remove the nuclear capability of the Iranians without
having to invade their country, that seems like a good thing.

The alternative is introducing the world to what a *really* bad "Terrorist
Situation" is actually like, which so far they haven't really experienced
yet.

The "situation", on all sides, appears to be one of this world's worst
nightmares.

But to others, it appears it is their dreams come true at last.  Lots of
others, from many nations.

If one could only find a way to reduce the appeal of exacerbating the
situation to those people who are enjoying and promoting this nightmare,
that seems like a good thing.

Yet, madness and the lust for power, death, destruction, and control appear
to rule them, all of them, endlessly.

I really enjoyed learning from the "history lesson" you wrote.  I love
learning things I don't know about.  They seem to help me understand the
world I live in more clearly it seems.  And sometimes that seems like a good
thing.

After reviewing everyone's positions on the various matters involved in this
situation, I can only say I picture myself standing inbetween all of them
and all their weapons disappearing in an instant.

But then I realize I am just dreaming, and wake back up to this nightmare in
reality.

Oh well, my ramblings are through.  I look for a diplomat with the skills of
Solomon to the Nth power with balls of steel, and all I see is businessmen
in heat, and more people who want more weapons, and more dead people sitting
in the streets holding their dead childrens' heads in their laps, and I
wonder where sanity has gone.

Is there no end to such things........?

So far America hasn't even blinked at 100,000 dead Iraqi civlians.  Since
Iran is so close, they will simply not blink twice.  What a great tragedy it
all is.

It would be such a good thing if someone on earth just woke up one day and
realized they had the power to stop all wars on earth.

The fact that they had it all the time but just never exercised it will
probably never cross their minds.

They just couldn't find what it took to stand up for innocent people being
slaughtered in vast numbers far away in their own names and behest by The
Top of their own country.

If it was in the next block, they would be going crazy, coming out of their
houses half dressed with sirens and lights and guns a blazing to stop death
and injustice.

Indeed, how to wake up the people of the nations so they can take back their
world from people who appear to exhibit no remorse whatsoever for
slaughtering innocents globally in the name of anything or anyone they want
to stick on it as The Good Reason.

While I certainly don't want to see Iranian religio fruitcakes getting
nuclear weapons, I mourn ahead of time for the innocents that will be
slaughtered if "we" go in there to remove their capacity to create them, and
for the excacerbation of a "situation" which, again, is just the first
segment of one of the worst nightmares I have ever imagined happening.

That it all seems to (sometimes and somehow) fit into a "biblical end
story", such as Armageddon etc, does not thrill nor scare me as much as so
many millions and millions and millions of people all over the world for
various reasons, as I see that is has actually been engineered, by several
parties, and is the farthest thing from a "prophecy coming true" that I've
seen in a long time.

The prowess with which all interested parties have done it remains
remarkable to me however.

One can only wish them as much misery as the Innocents of this world will
endlessly endure from them.

True, again, we can't let Iranian religio nuts develop nuclear warheads, but
the devastation and loss of so many regular citizens there and the spreading
of "breeding grounds for terrorism" to your local corner, as a direct
result, doesn't seem like a great tradeoff.

Stuck between Iran and a hard place.  There aren't really any words it
seems.  I've become too complacent about commenting on vast amounts of
people's deaths for this or that reason or this or that justification etc,
that it has become uncomfortable to even think in such terms.

Makes me think of terms like "statistical losses".  I guess I will add that
to the chapter that has "collateral damage".

Oh, look, hon, a 100,000 Iranian civilian statistical loss.
Great, now they don't have nukes, pass the coffee, what's on the tube....

I feel so cold sometimes when I hear of such horrors that happen and will
happen.

I read somewhere once that Americans have about a 2 week retention of
news-related items in their brains.  And then it just becomes secondary or
something in importance to "new data constantly being inputted", or
something like that.

I suppose that answers my previous question of "is there no end to this".

Oh well, I'm through rambling, there appears to be so much collective shame
to go around and so many tears to cry that my tears have just turned to
icecubes.  How many tears can you cry for someone a million miles away that
you don't know and weren't there to watch them get their head blown off....
The remote reaction to death "far away from us" is so chilling and scary to
me still.

And the longer our own American Media refuses to show what happens when we
"invade another place" for whatever reasons, the longer a huge proportion of
Americans will just yawn at things they can't even see unfolding on their
television sets.

And the longer we will continue to invade "other places".  War is so
profitable, there never seem to be enough of them.  And there never seems to
be a shortage of Leaders at The Top who endorse them, no matter what the
reasons or repercussions.

Surely invading Iran is not The Answer so many people seek.

No, leaving nuclear capability in Iranian religio-nuts is not The Answer
either.

But invading Iran is definitely not going to work to the advantage of people
like America, in both the long and short run.

Nukes or no nukes.

They'll just make smaller ones and smuggle them into here or build them
here.  You know *that* is going to be a Direct Result of Invading Iran.

If you didn't, well, now you do.

A simple mathematical continuation of The Engineering of the entire
Situation.

Even a child can see it.  Especially a dead one with its head blown off as a
result.

I can only hope again that somewhere in some dingy bar is a drunk forgotten
miserable diplomat with the skills of a god that will sober up at least just
long enough to come save all our asses from these *ssholes that have brought
us to such a culimination of tragedy and death.

Godspeed all you who hold the light looking for him.

(Hint:  You're probably not going to find him by sitting on your couch
watching reruns of Oprah.)





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