[Mb-civic] Re: Salient Features

[Ian]

Cheeseburger:

I'm speechless!  Can it be?  You and I completely agree on not just one, but 
two issues?!  (LOL)  I'm not suggesting you should be "impressed" or 
anything.  But it is a notable moment...LOL

Re Hitler's - and his cronies' (let's not forget them!) - dirty works, the 
actual estimated numbers (as if anyone cares?) are 5,500,000 Jews, over 
100,000 Christians, and over 100,000 homosexuals, blacks, artists, etc.  As 
suggested, these are only "basic" numbers, as the actual total number is 
probably much higher (though I am unfamiliar with the "35-40 million" 
estimate provided by Richard).  And as you point out (and Richard was not 
suggesting is otherwise), EVERY life taken was equally precious, and equally 
murder.  The only difference re the Jews was that he was actually attempting 
to eliminate the entire RACE - not just a certain portion.

Ultimately, Hitler was an equal opportunity hater.

Re the Vatican and Jesus, I agree again.  Indeed, from a purely Scriptural 
standpoint, the papacy itself is a heresy, as is the "position" of "Pope." 
One would have to SERIOUSLY twist less than a handful of passages of 
Scripture in order to support the papacy and the Pope.

As I have pointed out previously - and as you (and others) seem to 
understand and agree with - Jesus was not attempting to start a new 
religion: He was trying to teach the Jews (of which He was one) how to be 
"better Jews" vis-a-vis the Scriptures, and how to "get out from under" the 
hypocrisy and corruption of the Temple Priests, scribes and pharisees.  It 
was only when He was rejected by the majority of Jews that He brought His 
ministry to the gentiles.

In addition, neither Paul nor any of the other apostles or disciples were 
attempting to create an "organized religion" around Jesus' ministry, death 
and resurrection.  That was never the intention, even after Paul brought 
"Christianity" to Rome.  Indeed, it was not until Constantine "legalized" 
Christianity - over 200 years AFTER Paul and the rest of them were dead - 
that the political forces began "organizing" Christianity, and the papacy 
and Pope concepts came out of this.

And although Jesus might not actually "piss" on anyone, it is a certainty 
that He looks upon "organized religion" much the same way that it is looked 
on by non-believers who openly scorn it for its hypocrisy and corruption 
(among other things), and believers who see its apostasy and heresy.

Peace.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cheeseburger" <maxfury at granderiver.net>
To: "mb-civic" <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 4:12 PM
Subject: [Mb-civic] Re: Salient Features


> Re:  Salient Features
>
>
>
> Haase wrote:
>
>
> =======
> and let us remember to say the nazis killed 6 million people cheapens 
> their
> attrocities
> the nazis killed 35 - 40 million
> most not jews
> and each non jewish life just as valuable
> you know whats interesting
> how people promoting the up side of hitler
> though the guise of intellectual discussion
> are really nothing but racists?
> at least thats my subjective opinion
> as someone who could have ended up as a lampshade
> with an autistic child who could have been euthenized
> it is my subjective opinion that if there is a hereafter
> all nazis will burn in hell
> just my opinion
>
> richard haase
> jew
> ============
>
>
>
>
> First, I never realized you were a Jew.  If I had, it would have made it
> much more palatable taking the labels of jew hater, holocaust lover, and
> Nazi that were slung around here in the open.
>
> Secondly, while there is certainly nothing to be proud of about Nazism 
> that
> was in full swing about 60? years ago, I see no mention of Israeli
> atrocities and racism listed above that has been happening ever since we 
> got
> rid of Hitler.
>
> As far as the above reference to "the Nazis killing only 6 million 
> people",
> I'll have to hand that one off to "The Jews" for ramming that particular
> number home at every instance through the collective American and World 
> mind
> for the last 60 years in every television and radio show, newspaper 
> article,
> and movie that I can remember.  Apparently the other 35-40 million were
> relatively irrelevant in comparison to "The 6 Million", or at least to 
> them
> personally, or at least to their nationalistic? publicists.
>
> Everyone's race is greater and more nobler than anyone elses.
>
> If you ever doubt it, just ask them, and they'll set you straight on it.
>
> I think part of the articles you read were not trying to unemphasize the
> deadly sickness of people like Hitler, but to rather just show that some 
> of
> the roots they came from were just presented like just ordinary run of the
> mill "Necessary Social Changes", just like they are being presented today 
> as
> we forget the 100,000 dead civilian men women and children Iraqis.  That's
> how they started:  "A really cool party and concepts for the people..!!".
> That what they turned into is not in question.  That they were able to 
> dupe
> and deploy entire nations to do their bidding in the murders of millions 
> of
> people is a practice that is still in use by major players on Earth even
> today.
>
> America and Israel being just 2 of them currently.
>
> Both have become adept geniuses at manipulating the racist qualities they
> themselves have either bred, fostered, or allowed to grow, in their own
> people, for their own purposes at "The Top".
>
> That such current Racism continues to cost so many innocent civilian 
> lives,
> trauma, disaster, and irreparable damage to the social thread and order of
> this planet, continues to be lost among their other atrocities which are 
> no
> longer even reported about for the most part.
>
> You're sitting there talking about Hitler.
>
> I'm sitting here watching Hitler still hard at work but not talking German
> anymore, and flying any other flag almost other than that of The 3rd 
> Reich.
>
> And nobody blinking an eye.
>
> And people like Bush and Sharon and Etc being lauded as "The New Peace
> Bringers Of Planet Earth", lining up and practicing in front of their
> mirrors for their acceptance speeches when they receive the Nobel Prize 
> for
> their ghoulish efforts at nobility.
>
> Ok, I've rambled on enough about Current Nazism in the disguise of "People
> Bringing You Freedom" in today's market of death.
>
> I'll just close with the Pope.
>
> I can't imagine Jesus Christ forming a relatively deadly and disgusting
> organization like the Vatican, and appointing such bishops, etc's, and
> Popes, giving them 2 foot tall hats, different colored robes, vast
> political, social, etc powers over the nations, policies, and peoples,
> giving them rings that everyone must kiss in order to be in their 
> presence,
> and then smiling and passing out the bread and wine and saying "Eat, this 
> is
> my body, this is my blood".
>
> If he was alive today, Jesus would be pissing on all of their heads, not
> walking sadly by the coffin of just one of a string of leaders of such an
> organization with his head bowed and weeping for the cameras.
>
> Such things as The Vatican, and all their various powers over various
> people's actual lives, not counting al the people they have had murdered
> over all these centuries in the name of God and their demented little 
> human
> brains, remains one of the last things some little guy named Jesus Christ
> would have ever dreamed of creating in his wildest nightmare.
>
> Nazis...?  Sure, of course, deadly murderous pissants not worthy of the 
> spit
> off our shoes.
>
> Compared to the New Powers of this New World Order already here and coming
> and getting stronger every day..?  Mere pipsqueaks.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheeseburger
>
> .
>
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-civic mailing list
> Mb-civic at islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-civic
>