[Mb-civic] cheeseburger for president

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Re:  cheeseburger for president


First, Ginger Baker wrote:

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bear
   .......if the democrats had any courage at all they'd have nominated 
someone like cheeseburger...someone who can see reality and is as american 
as a cheeseburger.."ah but you see, we'd lose the jewish vote!"..fuck the 
jewish vote. though a lot would indeed be lost, certainly not all, and the 
number of good americans who have given up on voting  would actually vote 
for a man like this...as it stands there is so little to choose between 
bush and kerry that if bush does return to the white house then the 
democratic dumbos will be responsible...get a clue u.s.a....madbaker
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And then Richard Haase wrote:

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fuck the jewish vote?
fuck you baker you old drug dealing piece of shit
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I'm rather sure that Baker was using "Fuck the Jewish Vote" in the context 
of some current Jewish Lobbies in Washington D.C. being under investigation 
for Espionage at the Pentagon as has been reported in the news.

If he meant "Fuck ALL the Jewish Vote just for the sake of fucking it", 
sorry, seems like you're the only one that was able to interpret it that way.

I think he was referring to American Politicians who have sold out and 
continue to sell out our country under the benevolent auspices of the 
millions of dollars, favors, and other goodies being lavished upon them, 
yearly, by a myriad of D.C. Lobbyists, which *surely* includes even the 
"Jewish" one under current Federal investigation for Espionage at this sad 
late date of Reality beginning to fester to a bilious sore.

Or maybe he meant that the "Jewish" vote in some states here in the USA 
carry a lot of clout, as do other "ethno/religio" VOTING BLOCKS, and rather 
than force Israel to "Make Peace Nice Nice" in The Middle East, which by 
now everybody and their dog now know would most likely have saved at least 
several thousand American Lives and very likely made the current American 
War in The Middle East a non-entity from before the fact, our American 
Politicians would rather get re-elected than rock the boat and piss off 
their cash cows of VOTES, since even their Lobbyists lobby "The Jewish 
Vote" in America endlessly, even the ones currently under Federal 
investigation for Espionage at The Pentagon..

But I NEVER recall Baker sitting here EVER and saying anything even MILDLY 
close to "I hate all Jews" or somesuch.

In FACT he himself has printed on this screen, repeatedly, that he does NOT 
"hate all Jews" etc, but RATHER is severely against the extremist faction 
of The Israeli Government, such as people like The Likud Party, Netanyahoo, 
Sharon, and all the rest of the "Right Wing Extremist Kill Them All Then 
Occupy Their Land" players over there, that has just bought millions of 
dollars of smart bombs and bunker busters in most likely preparation to 
literally get something called Armageddon up to full speed by bombing the 
nuclear facilities in Iran.

And the Jewish/Israeli Lobby currently under Federal Investigation for 
Espionage at The Pentagon fit right cozily into the entire picture, 
endlessly lobbying not only our politicians in Washington D.C., but "The 
Jewish Vote" itself all across America.

As all the pieces begin to fit together in the news at it manages to get 
out, it just DOES NOT look like those people have ANYONE in America's BEST 
INTEREST at heart, to put it mildly as a vast understatement.

As we roll along here, let me just pause and state that, gee, Richard, wow, 
LOL, it wasn't that long ago that you were sitting here trying to get Baker 
to give you Marianne Faithful's telephone number so you could go make a 
personal profit on her.

LOL...............

And here you are, again, however, telling Baker to go fuck himself, calling 
him an old drug dealing piece of shit, and AGAIN twisting his ACTUAL WORDS, 
not counting meaning, to fit whatever "Baker Hates All Jews" dementia 
rolling around in your cranium at this time.

With no evidence or proof whatsoever to back up your allegations.

Again.

Gee, why does that sound so familiar.......

When you DO get any actual EVIDENCE that Baker "Hates All Jews", then put 
it the fuck up here, or else stop calling Baker a "Jew Hater" in Public.

But let's just get on with what you wrote later:

Richard wrote:


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but bakers jew remarks really piss me off
and im about as much into traditional judaism as ben laden
eg i eat pork by the shovel full and have a christmas tree
being part sicilian etc
have nothing to do with isreali politics
and aside from wishing that everyone in the middle east
could live in peace
never think about isreal, rightly or wrongly
but that feeling in society that its all right to speak as baker does
and he is obviously anti semetic
is what led to the holocaust
it gives me a chill
you know?
anyway ill be good no more outbursts
but baker started it with his jew remarks
eg " fuck the jewish vote " etc
and really it is obvious he is looking for the opportunity
to say fuck jews at every turn
sad and evil minded
you know?
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First, you, AGAIN, managed to twist Baker's remarks about "anything Jewish" 
into "Baker Hates All Jews", "Baker Is Anti-Semitic", "Baker's Kind Of 
Stuff Led To The Holocaust", etc etc blah blah blah vomit.

Look.....

Either PROVE, by putting up some kind of EVIDENCE here, that "Baker Hates 
All Jews" etc, or shut the fuck up about it.

People just going somewhere on the Internet and SAYING things, without 
PROVING them means just about as much as the next pile of shit does.

So far you haven't proved what you KEEP accusing Baker of.

Either do it, or get the fuck off the pot.


Richard then wrote:

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i wonder how old baker is in dog years
420? 490?
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You act like you're 12 in human years.

You come here asking Baker, and anyone else for Marianne Faithful's, or 
anyone else's phone numbers so you can make a buck by hustling their fame, 
asking for a quarter of a million dollars here and a quarter of a million 
dollars there to finance Broadway shows etc, then spit out your crap at 
Baker because the word "jewish" dare escape his lips, label him a "Hater Of 
All Jews", and then have no proof WHATSOEVER to back up your bullshit.

Gee, why does that sound so familiar........



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anyway its very dangerous there in south africa unfortunately
i hope one of the black people get him with a bullet
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Say WHAT?, Richard....?

YOU HOPE A BLACK PERSON IN SOUTH AFRICA SHOOTS BAKER IN THE BACK OF THE 
HEAD...????

I really think you need to go fuck yourself right about now.

Is this a contagious disease of PURE BULLSHIT going around lately, or is 
this something one has to learn how to do....?

Regardless of what it is, if Baker or nobody else will stand up against it, 
well, lookee here, here I am, standing right up in the middle of the room 
against this kind of pure shit.

Do your best now to knock me down now, Rich, if you can't you're screwed.


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( what was his claim to fame anyway back when dinosaurs ruled the earth? He 
was the first hippy to play the drums while manufacturing zyclon b? )
i forget it was so long ago
eg i understand he was passe by the time i was 14
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You're 14 now....?

You're probably not, however, the impulsive defaming finger-pointing 
language you have used here for quite some time and continue to use here 
*Against Baker*, or anyone else for that matter that uses the word "Jewish" 
in just about *any* context, to make him out as a person who "Hates All 
Jews" and "Likes To Beat Jews Over The Head With A Baseball Bat" and is 
"Anti-Semitic" and "Baker's Kind Of People Created The Holocaust" and 
"Etc", with NO EVIDENCE YET PUT UP ON OUR SCREENS TO SUBSTANTIATE YOUR 
ACCUSATIONS, LIBEL, AND ALLEGATIONS remains your fucking problem.

As well as anyone else who writes that kind of bullshit about other people 
here.

Or anywhere else for that matter, if they don't have the fucking evidence 
and proof to prove the bullshit pouring out of their mouths.

That makes people like you about 14, give or take a month or 2.

No matter how old you really are.

As the world is falling apart at our feet, you're going to slam people for 
"Jewish Remarks" when you have yet to even put up even ONE QUOTE from their 
keyboards that substantiates it.

Crapola Supremo.

Now, in closing, I'm going over my "Jewish Friends" so you AGAIN do not 
lump me in with the same bullshit you are slinging AGAIN at Baker as you 
have done in the past and continue to do.


My best friend as a child was, oh my god!!, A JEW, him and his sister lived 
about a block from my house, his mother was my mother's best friend, she 
was Jewish also, she was until recently a VERY big person in the American 
Jewish Community POLITICAL organizing efforts nationwide, I am an expert 
guitar player, among other simple and inconsequential accomplishments, one 
of my best friends in Manhattan NYC was a phenomenal guitar player who had 
returned to Manhattan after the Brits in London firebombed his apartment 
there, burning his girlfriend to death and destroying all his equipment, 
over jealousy that he was an American being paid about $5,000 per week to 
do studio work there, he is Jewish, he taught me more than anyone else 
about Guitar on this planet, he was just about to have a complete nervous 
breakdown over it and kill himself when I found him, he was living in a 
little brownstone walkup in Chelsea where Michael Brecker and Chip White 
lived, one of the best paying most enjoyable interesting jobs I ever had in 
Manhattan was as personal secretary to a music manager of a global 
superstar, a JEW, oh my god!!, gave me the job, we became best friends, it 
was great fun telling people like the head and etc's of NBC, Sony, etc 
"Look, I know who the fuck you are, but he's on another line, you'll just 
have to wait your turn like everyone else...", the reason he gave me the 
job was because he told me I was the only person he thought he could 
actually trust in all of Manhattan, I was a fucking dictaphone typist for 
B'nai B'rith, sitting there all day long with a line of ladies, listening 
to Rabbais talk in my ears all day and typing up their words accordingly, 
it was a great job, even though they were suprised that 1. I was not Jewish 
and 2. I was a man instead of a woman, and the list of my "I Don't Hate All 
Jews Like Someone Keeps Saying Other People Do With No Evidence Or Proof" 
is basically endless.

Life is like a spoon.

You can either take it and use it to nourish yourself and the world.

Or you can poke somebody's eye out with it.

It's all in how one uses it.

And so is "The Jewish Vote".

As well as "Any Other Vote".

The only problem with all that is that the "Voters" are literally being 
used, abused, and tattoosed by those who "Need Their Votes" for one reason 
or the other.

And it doesn't matter if they're Jews, Chinese, Irish, or Italian, or Etc.

It's all a bunch of shitheads running around at the top, for the most part, 
manipulating "All The Votes And Voters" so they can make a buck, get 
prestige, and "move up in the world", while "getting their personal ways 
about everything".

These crappy Manipulators could care less about The Actual People.

They just want their Votes and their Money so they can make the world in 
Their Own Images.

Nothing has changed in Centuries it appears.

Same old bullshit, just like it always was.


Again, however, if anyone wishes to keep putting bullshit accusations, 
libel, allegations, etc up here about anyone, you better start putting up 
some PROOF or EVIDENCE to back up all your bullshit, or you're going to 
start to begin to piss me off.

Hugs and kisses...........

I left out <bitchslap> because I'm trying to be nice, and transcend to the 
next plateau of enlightenment without getting caught up in all the bullshit 
running hari kari around this world by adding to it, participating in it, 
or becoming just another carrier and promoter of it.

Apparently one must be someone like either Buddha or Jesus to be able to 
*instantly* attain such light in one's life.

Oh, but wait a moment, even Buddha and Jesus didn't *instantly* begin to 
"Rise Above All Earth's Bullshit" in the blink of an eye.

Thanks for the information...  Sure, no problem, don't mention it.

If I can be of service in the future, just push the green button on your 
console.




Cheeseburger

- Where has the sparrow gone now that I need its song.