[Mb-civic] Attachments Problem

[Michael Butler]

Cheeseburger's comments about attachments are right.
If one cannot email directly then it is best to "Print" and "Post"
The Col. Collins and Curriculum Vitae are not readable in their present
form.
Any other questions let me know
Michael

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>  1. Col. Tim Collins (Retd.) on 'Cynical Iraq War' (Alexander Harper)
>  2. Re: Curriculum Vitae G.W. Bush (Alexander Harper)
>  3. Conan wants to be President (Harold Sifton)
>  4. US rips Canada on pot issues (Harold Sifton)
>  5. Madonna (Harold Sifton)
>  6. Col. Tim Collins (Retd.) on 'Cynical Iraq War' (Cheeseburger)
>  7. Hickory Dickory Dock, America Ran Up The Clock (Cheeseburger)
>  8. Hickory Dickory Dock, America Ran Up The Clock (Cheeseburger)
>  9. The Weavers reunite at Toronto Film Festival (Harold Sifton)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:11:42 -0500
> From: "Alexander Harper" <harperalexander at mail.com>
> Subject: [Mb-civic] Col. Tim Collins (Retd.) on 'Cynical Iraq War'
> To: mb-civic at islandlists.com
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:25:58 -0500
> From: "Alexander Harper" <harperalexander at mail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Curriculum Vitae G.W. Bush
> To: mb-civic at islandlists.com
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> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 19:17:09 -0400
> From: "Harold Sifton" <harry.sifton at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: [Mb-civic] Conan wants to be President
> To: "MB Civic" <MB-civic at islandlists.com>
> Message-ID: <000a01c49d0c$76de8740$103fe440 at Harold>
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> California lawmakers want to change presidential candidate laws so Arnold can
> run for President !
> 
> http://sympatico.msn.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2004/09/16/amend040916.html
> 
> Ya gotta love actors/celebrities egos ! If I can do this, then I want to do
> that ! Only in America, eh !
> 
> Point being, a change in this law could only help a well trained/placed
> foreign agent/mole to potentially become President of the USA.
> 
> So instead of a President that is run by domestic corporate interests like
> Bush, you could have a President run by foreign interests unknown.
> 
> Good luck America in your choices of law makers.
> 
> Later H
> 
> PS Americas recent choices scare the rest of the planet, so please get it
> together !
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> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 20:26:29 -0400
> From: "Harold Sifton" <harry.sifton at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: [Mb-civic] US rips Canada on pot issues
> To: "MB Civic" <MB-civic at islandlists.com>
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> Ripping Canada on pot is a deflection of issues. Pot exportation to the US
> from Canada by "Hells Angels and other US Gangs" controlled initiatives in
> Canada is a concern, but it represents only 5% of US consumption. The majority
> is US grown or Mexican import.
> Shut down American gangs i.e. Hells Angels etc, and this activity will lesson.
> 
> (The Angels offer big money to grow pot in Canada, remote growing areas etc.
> and stupid/greedy or economically challenged people take the money)
> 
> http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2004/09/17/633310-cp.html
> 
> The real problem is American consumption/want/need of Drugs, whether it be
> pot, cocaine, heroin, ecstasy or what ever.
> 
> The Hells Angels are now a serious problem in Canada, as are other US gangs.
> (Thank you America)
> 
> America has a serious social/cultural/hedonistic issues and it affects the
> rest of the world.
> 
> Get it together
> 
> Later H
> 
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 20:46:11 -0400
> From: "Harold Sifton" <harry.sifton at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: [Mb-civic] Madonna
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> Madonna's latest fad speaks of the soullessness of her culture.
> 
> http://www.abc.net.au/correspondents/content/2004/s1197075.htm
> 
> Just giving money to schools is not enough, a good thing, but really easy for
> her.
> 
> To study and understand the faith she now wants takes years of commitment and
> learning.
> 
> She is an over nighter, a soul wanting forgiveness for her deeds.
> 
> Next year it will be another thing, any thing to $ell her image.
> 
> Later H
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> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 21:02:02 -0500
> From: Cheeseburger <maxfury at granderiver.net>
> Subject: [Mb-civic] Col. Tim Collins (Retd.) on 'Cynical Iraq War'
> To: mb-civic at islandlists.com
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> Re:  Col. Tim Collins (Retd.) on 'Cynical Iraq War'
> 
> Again, with all due respect to everyone and their parakeet, ATTACHMENTS do
> not work on the MB Civic List.  ATTACHMENTS are SCRUBBED, DELETED, or put
> into the below form.  Of the 99 percent of the ATTACHMENTS which I can NOT
> read at all when posted to the MB Civic List instead of PLAIN TEXT
> NON-ATTACHMENTS, such as jpg, obj, etc, sometimes I can click and read HTML
> ATTACHMENTS in the place they have been SCRUBBED to.
> 
> This is what ATTACHMENTS look like to me on my Internet Browser Screen the
> 10 percent of the time that I can view them.  I felt someone else should
> see this, as I'm probably not the only one who can NOT read ATTACHMENTS to
> posts here which are SCRUBBED, and maybe people can be softly reminded that
> ATTACHMENTS do NOT work for all of us when sent here.  Thank you and have a
> lovely weekend:
> 
> 
> 
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> <P class=greylabel>Across the site</P>
> <P class=padless><SPAN class=red>Iraq</SPAN></P><!-- indy:relatedLinkBox -->
> <P class=related><A class=black12px
> href="http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=562662">Office
> r 
> who rallied UK troops condemns 'cynical' Iraq war</A> </P>
> <P class=related><A class=black12px
> href="http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=562636">Bus
> h 
> failed to plan for after war, report says</A> </P>
> <P class=related><A class=black12px
> href="http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=562635">
> Two 
> Americans and a Briton are latest victims of Iraq's thriving kidnap
> industry</A> </P>
> <P class=related><A class=black12px
> href="http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=562631">Allawi
> to back Blair on war's legality</A> </P>
> <P class=related><A class=black12px
> href="http://argument.independent.co.uk/leading_articles/story.jsp?story=56262
> 8">Leading 
> article: This verdict on the illegal war in Iraq demolishes Mr Blair's last
> line of defence<IMG height=11 alt="independent portfolio"
> src="http://www.independent.co.uk/img/furniture/clickandbuy/pp.gif"
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> <P><A class=black12px
> href="http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/music/interviews/story.jsp?story=5625
> 52"><B 
> class=grey>Duran Duran</B><BR><IMG height=44
> src="http://www.independent.co.uk/images/edschoice/2004-09/duran40.gif"
> width=40 align=left vspace=2 border=0> With sell-out shows, they're being
> f?ted again</A></P>
> <P><A class=black12px
> href="http://argument.independent.co.uk/regular_columnists/johann_hari/story.j
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> class=grey>Johann Hari</B><IMG height=11 alt="independent portfolio"
> src="http://www.independent.co.uk/img/furniture/clickandbuy/pp.gif"
> width=24 border=0><BR>Rural life is only possible because of townie
> generosity</A></P>
> <P><A class=black12px
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> 7"><B 
> class=grey>Mena Suvari</B><BR><IMG height=44
> src="http://www.independent.co.uk/images/edschoice/2004-09/mena40.gif"
> width=40 align=left vspace=2 border=0> Cheerleader, <BR>drug addict.
> <BR>What next?</A></P>
> <P><A class=black12px
> href="http://argument.independent.co.uk/commentators/story.jsp?story=562611"><
> B 
> class=grey>David McKittrick</B><IMG height=11 alt="independent portfolio"
> src="http://www.independent.co.uk/img/furniture/clickandbuy/pp.gif"
> width=24 border=0><BR>Will the fundamentalist Paisley prevail over the
> moderates?</A></P>
> <P><A class=black12px
> href="http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/books/interviews/story.jsp?story=5625
> 31"><B 
> class=grey>Roddy Doyle</B><BR><IMG height=44
> src="http://www.independent.co.uk/images/edschoice/2004-09/doyle40.gif"
> width=40 align=left vspace=2 border=0> On music, myth <BR>and the new
> <BR>Ireland</A></P>
> <P><A class=black12px
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> <P><A class=black12px
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> links of the Commons invaders</A><SPAN class=dategrey><BR></SPAN></P>
> <P><A class=black12px
> href="http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=562675">Cherie
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> class=dategrey><BR></SPAN></P>
> <P><A class=black12px
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> <P><A class=black12px
> href="http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=562648">Lib
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> <P><A class=black12px
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> <H1 class=head1>Officer who rallied UK troops condemns 'cynical' Iraq war</H1>
> <H3 class=head3>By Kim Sengupta</H3>
> <P class=padnone>17 September 2004
> <P><!-- Indy:Include story# 562600 -->
> <P>Colonel Tim Collins, the British commander whose stirring speech to his
> troops on the eve of the Iraq invasion was reportedly hung on a wall in the
> Oval Office by George Bush, has criticised the British and US governments
> over the war.</P>
> <P>The officer, who has now left the Army, condemned the lack of planning
> for the aftermath of the conflict and questioned the motives for attacking
> Iraq. He said abuses against Iraqi civilians were partly the result of
> "leaders of a country, leaders of an alliance" constantly referring to them
> as the "enemy ... rather than treating them as people". This attitude was
> inevitably adopted by some soldiers on the ground, he said.</P>
> <P>"Either it was a war to liberate the people of Iraq, in which case there
> was gross incompetence, or it was simply a cynical war that was going to
> happen anyway to vent some form of anger on Saddam Hussein's regime with no
> regard to the consequences on the Iraqi people. In that case it is a form
> of common assault - and the evidence would point towards the latter," he
> said on BBC Radio 4's <I>Today</I> programme.</P>
> <P>The speech of the commander of the 1st Battalion, the Royal Irish
> Regiment was seized on by advocates of the war. Col Collins faced
> allegations of misconduct during the campaign, but was cleared by an
> inquiry, and subsequently was appointedOBE.</P>
> <P>Yesterday Col Collins said that "the whole international community is
> dismayed by the result of the Iraq war" but he felt that liberating Iraq
> was still "the right thing to do. There is no doubt that the country needed
> to be liberated. Whether it could have been done in a different way must be
> judged by history."</P>
> <P>He added: "The evidence would show, in hindsight, that the preparations
> for a free and fair Iraq were not made and therefore one must question the
> motivation of the powers that went to attack it. There was very little
> preparation or thought given to what would follow on from the invasion.</P>
> <P>"It is fair to say that the United States and its ally the UK are living
> the consequence having removed the Baathist regime without any thought
> about what would replace it. There's no doubt that there was a great deal
> of incompetence involved but ultimately I think one has to look at the
> reasons for going to war."</P>
> <P>Asked about the claims of abuse of Iraqi prisoners, Col Collins said:
> "The abuse of any individual is to be condemned without qualification.
> However, I would observe that if the leaders of a country, or the leaders
> of an alliance, talk in terms of 'them', 'the enemy' rather than treating
> them as people, how can they expect the lowest common denominator, the
> basic soldiery, to interpret it in any other way?</P>
> <P>"Leadership comes from the top and soldiers at the lowest level will
> interpret their need to act from the guidance given by leaders. They are
> either well led or badly led. Ultimately the responsibility for the actions
> of soldiers must come back to the leaders."</P>
> <P>Col Collins was himself accused of striking an Iraqi prisoner with his
> pistol, although he was later exonerated. But he said: "Inevitably my
> decision to leave the Army was influenced by my disillusionment with the
> extent to which the Army supported me after I was doing my best to carry
> out orders as given. I don't think I was let down as much as I don't feel I
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> - Where has the sparrow gone now that I need its song.
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 02:44:11 -0500
> From: Cheeseburger <maxfury at granderiver.net>
> Subject: [Mb-civic] Hickory Dickory Dock, America Ran Up The Clock
> To: mb-civic at islandlists.com
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> Hickory Dickory Dock, America Ran Up The Clock
> 
> 
> Ok, so by now you realize you live in either the real Hell or something
> like it.
> 
> The most notoriously Free country in the world has been taken over by a
> conglomeration of raving anti-TheLiving nuts.
> 
> And you pay their salaries and for everything else they do with your own
> money.
> 
> And they're destroying the planet and everything that lives on it.
> 
> So the question is, what are you going to do about it now that you know it.
> 
> I asked someone that the other day and they just looked at me.
> 
> And then I said "Ok, not only what are you going to do about it, but what
> *can* you do about it..?", and they just looked at me again.
> 
> They didn't have an answer.
> 
> You live in a world where madmen force you to destroy the planet with your
> own hard-earned money and have insanely managed to actually convince you
> that it's all good for you.
> 
> While they tell you everything's all right, don't worry, and go back to the
> drawing board.
> 
> And it's been going on forever.  It's just getting more interesting now
> that the various advances in technology are coming into play.
> 
> Ok, so what can you do...?  What can anyone do...?
> 
> As far as making a major dent in the entire process of corruption,
> destruction and deception etc, most likely nothing whatsoever.
> 
> That's not to suggest you should become apathetic or non-inspired etc, but
> just to remind you of the simple reality of the entire situation.
> 
> The resources of the planet will run out some day, the pollution is already
> rampant globally, there's no plan in motion for any alternatives to any of
> "all that bad stuff that is provenly dangerous to living things on this
> planet" which is coming to save us on a big white horse in shining gleaming
> armor, including the mythical "Regime Change".
> 
> And we still have Leaders, globally, who would rather run around and invent
> new nuclear bunker buster bombs, new toys to control large masses of
> people, etc, and who have bankrupted both you and the quality of life you
> once hoped for your future and the future of your descendants while
> continuing to force you to pay for it all with you hard-earned tax dollars,
> rather than actually save the planet and the people who inhabit it that
> they themsevles have just about choked to death on just about every
> conceivable level.
> 
> The clock is ticking for existence itself.
> 
> It's just that all the "wow, it's here now" evidence just isn't here yet
> clearly enough.
> 
> So few people look that far ahead and think about it, much less wish to
> recognize that it is on its way, or that it could ever even preposterously
> come into "being".
> 
> Actually, we're smack dab in the middle of it, but they can't put their
> hand in the wounds on the side of "The Christ" so they offer you a couple
> of bucks for another drink and a pat on the back.
> 
> How easily Total Destruction has been heaped upon them.
> 
> Although a major gutless cop-out, perhaps it *is* easier to just sleepwalk
> through it all.
> 
> With corporate glut pulling so many strings, and so many officials
> complicit in graft, the "long awaited change for the better in The System"
> looks like it is just not coming before everything *finally* turns to sh*t
> *completely* in that ridiculously abstract thing called The Future.
> 
> Many of us will perhaps no longer be hanging around here in these corporeal
> forms when the sh*t finally hits the fan.
> 
> It will fall to a much less well-prepared (as if there is some kind of
> "preparation" for the manmade extinction of anything but Hell Itself on
> this tiny green planet) group of younger people.
> 
> They will slaughter them, enslave them, and breed them like cattle as
> workers and as food just as in "The Time Machine" as the Morlocks did (the
> original one, not that schlock that came out not too long ago).
> 
> It has, sadly and unfortunately, now become obvious, at least to someone,
> that "They", the people who have screwed you forever and continue to do so,
> are still making sure that *Their* plans for "The Future" remain right on
> schedule.
> 
> Their Future for you, your descendants, and everything else that moves,
> breathes, smiles, grows, or exists on this planet is "Welcome to Hell,
> we've been expecting you".
> 
> Can't you see the preparations in place...?  That have been in place for
> quite some time now...?
> 
> You can't...?   Geez...  Heh...  Look closer.  They're there.  Staring you
> in the face.
> 
> It's all like one big jigsaw puzzle.  You look at all the pieces and
> initially go "No way.  There is *no* way that all those miniscule little
> pieces all fit together to make up a giant full picture.".
> 
> And then it hits you.......
> 
> You *are* in Hell.
> 
> LOL..........
> 
> We must have done *something* bad sometime or we probably wouldn't be here,
> lol, and, sorry, this doesn't look like the authentic video game of
> Freedom, Truth, Equality, Justice, Humanity, Etc to me no matter how many
> times I have to live through it.
> 
> They took a fine dream of crystalline wisdom, beauty, and freedom, and
> twisted it to their own devises so far out of the original reality, and
> actually have been able to get away with it so easily all this time, that
> it is really rather spectacular, as far as global heists go, lol.
> 
> They stole your planet.
> 
> They stole your money.
> 
> They stole your environment.
> 
> They stole your common sense, good judgement, and ability to even hold
> anyone accountable anymore for anything.
> 
> They stole everything.
> 
> Including your Future.
> 
> Whether this was or is Hell remains debatable, I'm sure, but they have
> nevertheless managed to Create Hell itself right before your eyes, and
> suckered you into paying for it all with your money, time, and very lives
> of your existence, as they finalize the end parts of The Master Formula to
> permanently "open the gate between Life and Hell" on some stupid little
> planet called Earth.
> 
> What a great deal we got goin' here, eh....?
> 
> LOL.......................................
> 
> Ok, suckers, so what *ARE* you going to do about it, remains The Question
> of the eons.
> 
> Face it, the Morlocks and Eloi exist.  They are the Morlocks.  You are the
> Eloi.  They are eating you.  Do something.
> 
> Oh well, tick tock, times up for tonight's session.
> 
> If you come up with an actual rational Answer, get back to me.
> 
> Until then, I'll be working on another jigsaw puzzle, I already finished
> this one.
> 
> 
> 
> Cheeseburger
> 
> - Where has the Earth gone now that I need its song.
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 03:18:26 -0500
> From: Cheeseburger <maxfury at granderiver.net>
> Subject: [Mb-civic] Hickory Dickory Dock, America Ran Up The Clock
> To: mb-civic at islandlists.com
> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20040918031106.00a853b0 at mail.granderiver.net>
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> 
> Re:  Hickory Dickory Dock, America Ran Up The Clock
> 
> p.s.:  I forgot to add in this one tiny site about that old 1960 movie "The
> Time Machine".  If you get a break from the Morlock chewing on your leg,
> check it out some time in The Future, whatever that might be:
> 
> http://www.donbrockway.com/time.htm
> 
> Somewhere in the midst of all those doors at that website, including one to
> the original text of the original book, I found this tiny quote which still
> rings true, if even from the pen of a "writer of fiction":
> 
> "...the familiar Wellsian message that men do not learn from their history.."
> 
> We remain, unfortunately, living proof of that........
> 
> Eloi to the bitter end, eh.......  go figure.
> 
> 
> Cheeseburger
> 
> - Where has the sparrow gone now that I need its song.
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 14:44:47 -0400
> From: "Harold Sifton" <harry.sifton at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: [Mb-civic] The Weavers reunite at Toronto Film Festival
> To: "MB Civic" <MB-civic at islandlists.com>
> Message-ID: <000901c49daf$94ca9ac0$613fe440 at Harold>
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> 
> The Weavers reunited in Toronto to honour Harold Leventhal
> 
> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1502&e=3&u=/nm/20040917/wl_ca
> nada_nm/canada_leisure_festival_weavers_col&sid=81587690
> 
> Great story
> 
> H
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