[Mb-civic] come on guys

[richard haase]

i am not defending the vatican swear to god im not
im being anthropological
you may very well reach the conclusion cheeseburger
that in the face of the human cost
the " art " is more than irrelevant
im not trying to defend the vatican
human history is complex
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cheeseburger" <maxfury at granderiver.net>
To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 3:10 AM
Subject: [Mb-civic] come on guys


> Re:  come on guys
>
>
> Richard wrote:
>
> ========
> blah blah blah
> but the church was still the mileau out of which much great art and the
> society of the time came
> evil and horrible though it was
> specific; galileo who was persecuted by the church
> could not have amassed his body of knowledge that led him to the point of
> being able to do his own research were he not schooled by the church
> teachers etc who were responsible for most of the learning of the day
> certainly leonardo di vinci ambulating as he did in the courts of his day
> could not but have been intimately touched by the church and its people,
> directly and indirectly; i am a big iconoclast, hater of organized
religion
> for the most part etc; but whats true is true; lot of beauty in the church
> and connected to it; even if you say it pales besides the human misery
> caused by the european church(es) and you may be quite right; im being
> quantitative; anthropological was not making value or even aesthetic
> judgement
> ==========
>
>
> Geez, Richard, 3 days before a historic presidential election, and you
come
> out defending The Vatican and starting shit on purpose.
>
> LOL..........
>
> Am I supposed to expect anything else..?  Probably not.
>
> It ***DOES*** pale beside the horror, tortures, inflictions, thefts,
> murders etc that "The Church" committed.
>
> I have already taken note of your objection to my opinion that "The
Church"
> can basically go fuck itself.
>
> Anything else you need to know, just ask up.
>
> Again, as far as "the church was still the mileau out of which much great
> art and the society of the time came evil and horrible though it was..."
>
> Fuck them.
>
> Fuck anyone stupid enough to be ignorant enough to believe that all the
Art
> on all the Earth created in all the Centuries combined is worth one human
> life in the process.
>
> If you want to pimp out The Vatican or "The Church" as "all their
> pro-actions negate all their con-actions", you just go right ahead, no
> sweat off my ass.
>
> I was just pointing out, again, that so much horror and death has been
> created, nurtured, and promoted by "Organized Religion" throughout THE
> CENTURIES, that it is phenomenal.
>
> You were just pointing out that all the "Art" and "Advancements In
> Civilization" were worth all those dead bodies.
>
> You're being "quantitative", as you state above, and I'm being
"qualitative".
>
> I don't think the "quality" of what came out of "The Church" was worth one
> second of misery it caused to create it or even just one human life.
>
> But go ahead, Rich, do whatever you want.
>
> Look at the pretty pictures on the wall, our Modern Society, our Legal
> Systems, our Governments, etc.
>
> If you think all *THAT* is worth just one measly inconsequential by
> comparison human life that they built it on to get it here to this point
> where you can derive "Spiritual Inspiration" from it, that's your gig.
>
> Go for it.
>
> Again, let me know if you have any more questions.
>
>
>
>
> Cheeseburger
>
> - Where has the sparrow gone now that I need its song.
>
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