[Mb-civic] cheeseburger for president

[richard haase]

youre so full of shit cheeseburger
epistles and all
baker is a virulent anti semite
you babble you know that?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cheeseburger" <maxfury at granderiver.net>
To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 6:13 AM
Subject: [Mb-civic] cheeseburger for president


> Re:  cheeseburger for president
>
>
> I wrote:
>
>
> =======
> First, Ginger Baker wrote:
>
> =====
> bear
>     .......if the democrats had any courage at all they'd have nominated
> someone like cheeseburger...someone who can see reality and is as american
> as a cheeseburger.."ah but you see, we'd lose the jewish vote!"..fuck the
> jewish vote. though a lot would indeed be lost, certainly not all, and the
> number of good americans who have given up on voting  would actually vote
> for a man like this...as it stands there is so little to choose between
> bush and kerry that if bush does return to the white house then the
> democratic dumbos will be responsible...get a clue u.s.a....madbaker
> ====
>
>
> And then Richard Haase wrote:
>
> ====
> fuck the jewish vote?
> fuck you baker you old drug dealing piece of shit
> ====
>
>
> I'm rather sure that Baker was using "Fuck the Jewish Vote" in the context
> of some current Jewish Lobbies in Washington D.C. being under
investigation
> for Espionage at the Pentagon as has been reported in the news.
>
> If he meant "Fuck ALL the Jewish Vote just for the sake of fucking it",
> sorry, seems like you're the only one that was able to interpret it that
way.
>
> I think he was referring to American Politicians who have sold out and
> continue to sell out our country under the benevolent auspices of the
> millions of dollars, favors, and other goodies being lavished upon them,
> yearly, by a myriad of D.C. Lobbyists, which *surely* includes even the
> "Jewish" one under current Federal investigation for Espionage at this sad
> late date of Reality beginning to fester to a bilious sore.
>
> Or maybe he meant that the "Jewish" vote in some states here in the USA
> carry a lot of clout, as do other "ethno/religio" VOTING BLOCKS, and
rather
> than force Israel to "Make Peace Nice Nice" in The Middle East, which by
> now everybody and their dog now know would most likely have saved at least
> several thousand American Lives and very likely made the current American
> War in The Middle East a non-entity from before the fact, our American
> Politicians would rather get re-elected than rock the boat and piss off
> their cash cows of VOTES, since even their Lobbyists lobby "The Jewish
> Vote" in America endlessly, even the ones currently under Federal
> investigation for Espionage at The Pentagon..
>
> But I NEVER recall Baker sitting here EVER and saying anything even MILDLY
> close to "I hate all Jews" or somesuch.
>
> In FACT he himself has printed on this screen, repeatedly, that he does
NOT
> "hate all Jews" etc, but RATHER is severely against the extremist faction
> of The Israeli Government, such as people like The Likud Party,
Netanyahoo,
> Sharon, and all the rest of the "Right Wing Extremist Kill Them All Then
> Occupy Their Land" players over there, that has just bought millions of
> dollars of smart bombs and bunker busters in most likely preparation to
> literally get something called Armageddon up to full speed by bombing the
> nuclear facilities in Iran.
>
> And the Jewish/Israeli Lobby currently under Federal Investigation for
> Espionage at The Pentagon fit right cozily into the entire picture,
> endlessly lobbying not only our politicians in Washington D.C., but "The
> Jewish Vote" itself all across America.
>
> As all the pieces begin to fit together in the news at it manages to get
> out, it just DOES NOT look like those people have ANYONE in America's BEST
> INTEREST at heart, to put it mildly as a vast understatement.
>
> As we roll along here, let me just pause and state that, gee, Richard,
wow,
> LOL, it wasn't that long ago that you were sitting here trying to get
Baker
> to give you Marianne Faithful's telephone number so you could go make a
> personal profit on her.
>
> LOL...............
>
> And here you are, again, however, telling Baker to go fuck himself,
calling
> him an old drug dealing piece of shit, and AGAIN twisting his ACTUAL
WORDS,
> not counting meaning, to fit whatever "Baker Hates All Jews" dementia
> rolling around in your cranium at this time.
>
> With no evidence or proof whatsoever to back up your allegations.
>
> Again.
>
> Gee, why does that sound so familiar.......
>
> When you DO get any actual EVIDENCE that Baker "Hates All Jews", then put
> it the fuck up here, or else stop calling Baker a "Jew Hater" in Public.
>
> But let's just get on with what you wrote later:
>
> Richard wrote:
>
>
> ======
> but bakers jew remarks really piss me off
> and im about as much into traditional judaism as ben laden
> eg i eat pork by the shovel full and have a christmas tree
> being part sicilian etc
> have nothing to do with isreali politics
> and aside from wishing that everyone in the middle east
> could live in peace
> never think about isreal, rightly or wrongly
> but that feeling in society that its all right to speak as baker does
> and he is obviously anti semetic
> is what led to the holocaust
> it gives me a chill
> you know?
> anyway ill be good no more outbursts
> but baker started it with his jew remarks
> eg " fuck the jewish vote " etc
> and really it is obvious he is looking for the opportunity
> to say fuck jews at every turn
> sad and evil minded
> you know?
> ===========
>
>
> First, you, AGAIN, managed to twist Baker's remarks about "anything
Jewish"
> into "Baker Hates All Jews", "Baker Is Anti-Semitic", "Baker's Kind Of
> Stuff Led To The Holocaust", etc etc blah blah blah vomit.
>
> Look.....
>
> Either PROVE, by putting up some kind of EVIDENCE here, that "Baker Hates
> All Jews" etc, or shut the fuck up about it.
>
> People just going somewhere on the Internet and SAYING things, without
> PROVING them means just about as much as the next pile of shit does.
>
> So far you haven't proved what you KEEP accusing Baker of.
>
> Either do it, or get the fuck off the pot.
>
>
> Richard then wrote:
>
> ====
> i wonder how old baker is in dog years
> 420? 490?
> =====
>
>
> You act like you're 12 in human years.
>
> You come here asking Baker, and anyone else for Marianne Faithful's, or
> anyone else's phone numbers so you can make a buck by hustling their fame,
> asking for a quarter of a million dollars here and a quarter of a million
> dollars there to finance Broadway shows etc, then spit out your crap at
> Baker because the word "jewish" dare escape his lips, label him a "Hater
Of
> All Jews", and then have no proof WHATSOEVER to back up your bullshit.
>
> Gee, why does that sound so familiar........
>
>
>
> ======
> anyway its very dangerous there in south africa unfortunately
> i hope one of the black people get him with a bullet
> =======
>
>
> Say WHAT?, Richard....?
>
> YOU HOPE A BLACK PERSON IN SOUTH AFRICA SHOOTS BAKER IN THE BACK OF THE
> HEAD...????
>
> I really think you need to go fuck yourself right about now.
>
> Is this a contagious disease of PURE BULLSHIT going around lately, or is
> this something one has to learn how to do....?
>
> Regardless of what it is, if Baker or nobody else will stand up against
it,
> well, lookee here, here I am, standing right up in the middle of the room
> against this kind of pure shit.
>
> Do your best now to knock me down now, Rich, if you can't you're screwed.
>
>
> ==========
> ( what was his claim to fame anyway back when dinosaurs ruled the earth?
He
> was the first hippy to play the drums while manufacturing zyclon b? )
> i forget it was so long ago
> eg i understand he was passe by the time i was 14
> ===========
>
>
> You're 14 now....?
>
> You're probably not, however, the impulsive defaming finger-pointing
> language you have used here for quite some time and continue to use here
> *Against Baker*, or anyone else for that matter that uses the word
"Jewish"
> in just about *any* context, to make him out as a person who "Hates All
> Jews" and "Likes To Beat Jews Over The Head With A Baseball Bat" and is
> "Anti-Semitic" and "Baker's Kind Of People Created The Holocaust" and
> "Etc", with NO EVIDENCE YET PUT UP ON OUR SCREENS TO SUBSTANTIATE YOUR
> ACCUSATIONS, LIBEL, AND ALLEGATIONS remains your fucking problem.
>
> As well as anyone else who writes that kind of bullshit about other people
> here.
>
> Or anywhere else for that matter, if they don't have the fucking evidence
> and proof to prove the bullshit pouring out of their mouths.
>
> That makes people like you about 14, give or take a month or 2.
>
> No matter how old you really are.
>
> As the world is falling apart at our feet, you're going to slam people for
> "Jewish Remarks" when you have yet to even put up even ONE QUOTE from
their
> keyboards that substantiates it.
>
> Crapola Supremo.
>
> Now, in closing, I'm going over my "Jewish Friends" so you AGAIN do not
> lump me in with the same bullshit you are slinging AGAIN at Baker as you
> have done in the past and continue to do.
>
>
> My best friend as a child was, oh my god!!, A JEW, him and his sister
lived
> about a block from my house, his mother was my mother's best friend, she
> was Jewish also, she was until recently a VERY big person in the American
> Jewish Community POLITICAL organizing efforts nationwide, I am an expert
> guitar player, among other simple and inconsequential accomplishments, one
> of my best friends in Manhattan NYC was a phenomenal guitar player who had
> returned to Manhattan after the Brits in London firebombed his apartment
> there, burning his girlfriend to death and destroying all his equipment,
> over jealousy that he was an American being paid about $5,000 per week to
> do studio work there, he is Jewish, he taught me more than anyone else
> about Guitar on this planet, he was just about to have a complete nervous
> breakdown over it and kill himself when I found him, he was living in a
> little brownstone walkup in Chelsea where Michael Brecker and Chip White
> lived, one of the best paying most enjoyable interesting jobs I ever had
in
> Manhattan was as personal secretary to a music manager of a global
> superstar, a JEW, oh my god!!, gave me the job, we became best friends, it
> was great fun telling people like the head and etc's of NBC, Sony, etc
> "Look, I know who the fuck you are, but he's on another line, you'll just
> have to wait your turn like everyone else...", the reason he gave me the
> job was because he told me I was the only person he thought he could
> actually trust in all of Manhattan, I was a fucking dictaphone typist for
> B'nai B'rith, sitting there all day long with a line of ladies, listening
> to Rabbais talk in my ears all day and typing up their words accordingly,
> it was a great job, even though they were suprised that 1. I was not
Jewish
> and 2. I was a man instead of a woman, and the list of my "I Don't Hate
All
> Jews Like Someone Keeps Saying Other People Do With No Evidence Or Proof"
> is basically endless.
>
> Life is like a spoon.
>
> You can either take it and use it to nourish yourself and the world.
>
> Or you can poke somebody's eye out with it.
>
> It's all in how one uses it.
>
> And so is "The Jewish Vote".
>
> As well as "Any Other Vote".
>
> The only problem with all that is that the "Voters" are literally being
> used, abused, and tattoosed by those who "Need Their Votes" for one reason
> or the other.
>
> And it doesn't matter if they're Jews, Chinese, Irish, or Italian, or Etc.
>
> It's all a bunch of shitheads running around at the top, for the most
part,
> manipulating "All The Votes And Voters" so they can make a buck, get
> prestige, and "move up in the world", while "getting their personal ways
> about everything".
>
> These crappy Manipulators could care less about The Actual People.
>
> They just want their Votes and their Money so they can make the world in
> Their Own Images.
>
> Nothing has changed in Centuries it appears.
>
> Same old bullshit, just like it always was.
>
>
> Again, however, if anyone wishes to keep putting bullshit accusations,
> libel, allegations, etc up here about anyone, you better start putting up
> some PROOF or EVIDENCE to back up all your bullshit, or you're going to
> start to begin to piss me off.
>
> Hugs and kisses...........
>
> I left out <bitchslap> because I'm trying to be nice, and transcend to the
> next plateau of enlightenment without getting caught up in all the
bullshit
> running hari kari around this world by adding to it, participating in it,
> or becoming just another carrier and promoter of it.
>
> Apparently one must be someone like either Buddha or Jesus to be able to
> *instantly* attain such light in one's life.
>
> Oh, but wait a moment, even Buddha and Jesus didn't *instantly* begin to
> "Rise Above All Earth's Bullshit" in the blink of an eye.
>
> Thanks for the information...  Sure, no problem, don't mention it.
>
> If I can be of service in the future, just push the green button on your
> console.
> =======
>
>
>
> I forgot to add, Baker, I would never "run for president" because I know
> Americans would never elect someone with Long Hair to the Presidency, just
> like they will never elect a Gay Person, as they have been thoroughly
> indoctrinated for a Long Long time that there is definitely "something
> wrong" with "people like us".
>
> Someone with Long Hair or a Gay Person might actually have something
really
> genuinely good, wise, and beneficial going on Politically in favor of The
> Masses, but we will, again, never see "someone like us" elected to The
> Presidency of a country whose brains have been put through so many
> indoctrination processes by so many despots and are buzzing on such a huge
> fried-brain-drain high that it makes a rainbow look like a flat piece of
> bread laying on a coffee table staring at the ceiling.
>
> Most likely America will also never elect a Black Person, for the same
> indoctrinated reasons.
>
> They, not all of them but many, have been brainwashed so long that "the
> only trustworthy politician" (are there any anymore, lol..?) has Short
> Hair, goes to Church regularly, has 2 to 3 kids, has a loving female wife
> which stands in his shadow, and if he has had a military career, even in
> the National Guard, then that definitely makes him a muy macho choice for
> President Of The United States Of America, oh yeah, and he is White as
well.
>
> They will also probably never elect A Woman.
>
> The actual List of Who or "What" Americans will probably never elect to
The
> Presidency, if one sits around and begins to add it all up, starts to look
> like a Huge Portion of Actual Americans who will never even just be Mildly
> Considered as Presidential Material because "There Is Something Wrong With
> Them".
>
> Instead, they continue to elect, for the most part, Pure Assholes to
things
> like The Presidency, as well as to The Congress, among other Positions.
>
> Which remains one Major Reason we remain in the fix we find ourselves as a
> nation today.
>
> We normally do not want Anyone to Lead The Nation except a White Man, with
> a Wife that stands in his shadow (at least often if not completely), who
> goes to Church regularly, who has hopefully had a Military Career, with
> Short Hair, who has 2 to 3 children, etc etc etc, and is definitely not
Gay.
>
> Again, that not only eliminates a Huge Amount of Actual Americans to
ascend
> to The Presidency, but cuts them out the day they are literally born even
> for Mild Consideration for the post.
>
> That small tidy inconsequential FACT winds up making a Huge Portion of
> Americans barely above the status of trained monkeys who have endured eons
> of indoctrination and brainwashing at the hands of Their Own People and
> just finally caved in under the pressure.
>
> Instead of fighting it.
>
> As they should have.
>
> Instead they left This Future to Us, with a pat on the back, and good
> wishes for good luck in fighting an Out Of Control Monster that broke
them,
> ruined their country, and is still trying to figure out the ultimate way
to
> Enslave us all permanently.
>
> So far they've done an extremely good job at accomplishing it all.
>
> The People, all of them, should have Retaken Their Country very Long Ago.
>
> However, they instead left it to Future Generations, like us, to sit here
> and stare at The Mammoth Disaster this "American System Of Injustice" has
> evolved into, with little more than some spitballs and a pen and a Media
> that has wound up being, for the most part, nothing more than a lap dog
for
> The New World Order, which, again, is nothing more than The Old World
> Order, except with better Publicists, to combat it.
>
> All in all, I'm not cutting my hair, so we'll have to exclude "The
> Presidency" on my agenda in the near future.
>
> Oh well.
>
> Regardless, it looks like I am in extremely good company.
>
>
>
>
> Cheeseburger
>
> - Where has the sparrow gone now that I need its song.
>
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