[Mb-civic] cheeseburger for president

[richard haase]

baker is an anti semite
he puts down jews whenever he can
and i am not someone who is sensitive to jewish matters
as they do not play any part in my day to day life
not being a jew and not having much to do with jews
baker should be rather unconcerned with them
but he never misses an opportunity to say jew in some
derogatory fashion
and you can write any masturbatory epistle that you want
but baker is an anti semite
and you can stand on your bun cheeseburger
hope you and the sparrow are well
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cheeseburger" <maxfury at granderiver.net>
To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 12:41 AM
Subject: [Mb-civic] cheeseburger for president


> Re:  cheeseburger for president
>
>
> First, Ginger Baker wrote:
>
> =====
> bear
>    .......if the democrats had any courage at all they'd have nominated
> someone like cheeseburger...someone who can see reality and is as american
> as a cheeseburger.."ah but you see, we'd lose the jewish vote!"..fuck the
> jewish vote. though a lot would indeed be lost, certainly not all, and the
> number of good americans who have given up on voting  would actually vote
> for a man like this...as it stands there is so little to choose between
> bush and kerry that if bush does return to the white house then the
> democratic dumbos will be responsible...get a clue u.s.a....madbaker
> ====
>
>
> And then Richard Haase wrote:
>
> ====
> fuck the jewish vote?
> fuck you baker you old drug dealing piece of shit
> ====
>
>
> I'm rather sure that Baker was using "Fuck the Jewish Vote" in the context
> of some current Jewish Lobbies in Washington D.C. being under
investigation
> for Espionage at the Pentagon as has been reported in the news.
>
> If he meant "Fuck ALL the Jewish Vote just for the sake of fucking it",
> sorry, seems like you're the only one that was able to interpret it that
way.
>
> I think he was referring to American Politicians who have sold out and
> continue to sell out our country under the benevolent auspices of the
> millions of dollars, favors, and other goodies being lavished upon them,
> yearly, by a myriad of D.C. Lobbyists, which *surely* includes even the
> "Jewish" one under current Federal investigation for Espionage at this sad
> late date of Reality beginning to fester to a bilious sore.
>
> Or maybe he meant that the "Jewish" vote in some states here in the USA
> carry a lot of clout, as do other "ethno/religio" VOTING BLOCKS, and
rather
> than force Israel to "Make Peace Nice Nice" in The Middle East, which by
> now everybody and their dog now know would most likely have saved at least
> several thousand American Lives and very likely made the current American
> War in The Middle East a non-entity from before the fact, our American
> Politicians would rather get re-elected than rock the boat and piss off
> their cash cows of VOTES, since even their Lobbyists lobby "The Jewish
> Vote" in America endlessly, even the ones currently under Federal
> investigation for Espionage at The Pentagon..
>
> But I NEVER recall Baker sitting here EVER and saying anything even MILDLY
> close to "I hate all Jews" or somesuch.
>
> In FACT he himself has printed on this screen, repeatedly, that he does
NOT
> "hate all Jews" etc, but RATHER is severely against the extremist faction
> of The Israeli Government, such as people like The Likud Party,
Netanyahoo,
> Sharon, and all the rest of the "Right Wing Extremist Kill Them All Then
> Occupy Their Land" players over there, that has just bought millions of
> dollars of smart bombs and bunker busters in most likely preparation to
> literally get something called Armageddon up to full speed by bombing the
> nuclear facilities in Iran.
>
> And the Jewish/Israeli Lobby currently under Federal Investigation for
> Espionage at The Pentagon fit right cozily into the entire picture,
> endlessly lobbying not only our politicians in Washington D.C., but "The
> Jewish Vote" itself all across America.
>
> As all the pieces begin to fit together in the news at it manages to get
> out, it just DOES NOT look like those people have ANYONE in America's BEST
> INTEREST at heart, to put it mildly as a vast understatement.
>
> As we roll along here, let me just pause and state that, gee, Richard,
wow,
> LOL, it wasn't that long ago that you were sitting here trying to get
Baker
> to give you Marianne Faithful's telephone number so you could go make a
> personal profit on her.
>
> LOL...............
>
> And here you are, again, however, telling Baker to go fuck himself,
calling
> him an old drug dealing piece of shit, and AGAIN twisting his ACTUAL
WORDS,
> not counting meaning, to fit whatever "Baker Hates All Jews" dementia
> rolling around in your cranium at this time.
>
> With no evidence or proof whatsoever to back up your allegations.
>
> Again.
>
> Gee, why does that sound so familiar.......
>
> When you DO get any actual EVIDENCE that Baker "Hates All Jews", then put
> it the fuck up here, or else stop calling Baker a "Jew Hater" in Public.
>
> But let's just get on with what you wrote later:
>
> Richard wrote:
>
>
> ======
> but bakers jew remarks really piss me off
> and im about as much into traditional judaism as ben laden
> eg i eat pork by the shovel full and have a christmas tree
> being part sicilian etc
> have nothing to do with isreali politics
> and aside from wishing that everyone in the middle east
> could live in peace
> never think about isreal, rightly or wrongly
> but that feeling in society that its all right to speak as baker does
> and he is obviously anti semetic
> is what led to the holocaust
> it gives me a chill
> you know?
> anyway ill be good no more outbursts
> but baker started it with his jew remarks
> eg " fuck the jewish vote " etc
> and really it is obvious he is looking for the opportunity
> to say fuck jews at every turn
> sad and evil minded
> you know?
> ===========
>
>
> First, you, AGAIN, managed to twist Baker's remarks about "anything
Jewish"
> into "Baker Hates All Jews", "Baker Is Anti-Semitic", "Baker's Kind Of
> Stuff Led To The Holocaust", etc etc blah blah blah vomit.
>
> Look.....
>
> Either PROVE, by putting up some kind of EVIDENCE here, that "Baker Hates
> All Jews" etc, or shut the fuck up about it.
>
> People just going somewhere on the Internet and SAYING things, without
> PROVING them means just about as much as the next pile of shit does.
>
> So far you haven't proved what you KEEP accusing Baker of.
>
> Either do it, or get the fuck off the pot.
>
>
> Richard then wrote:
>
> ====
> i wonder how old baker is in dog years
> 420? 490?
> =====
>
>
> You act like you're 12 in human years.
>
> You come here asking Baker, and anyone else for Marianne Faithful's, or
> anyone else's phone numbers so you can make a buck by hustling their fame,
> asking for a quarter of a million dollars here and a quarter of a million
> dollars there to finance Broadway shows etc, then spit out your crap at
> Baker because the word "jewish" dare escape his lips, label him a "Hater
Of
> All Jews", and then have no proof WHATSOEVER to back up your bullshit.
>
> Gee, why does that sound so familiar........
>
>
>
> ======
> anyway its very dangerous there in south africa unfortunately
> i hope one of the black people get him with a bullet
> =======
>
>
> Say WHAT?, Richard....?
>
> YOU HOPE A BLACK PERSON IN SOUTH AFRICA SHOOTS BAKER IN THE BACK OF THE
> HEAD...????
>
> I really think you need to go fuck yourself right about now.
>
> Is this a contagious disease of PURE BULLSHIT going around lately, or is
> this something one has to learn how to do....?
>
> Regardless of what it is, if Baker or nobody else will stand up against
it,
> well, lookee here, here I am, standing right up in the middle of the room
> against this kind of pure shit.
>
> Do your best now to knock me down now, Rich, if you can't you're screwed.
>
>
> ==========
> ( what was his claim to fame anyway back when dinosaurs ruled the earth?
He
> was the first hippy to play the drums while manufacturing zyclon b? )
> i forget it was so long ago
> eg i understand he was passe by the time i was 14
> ===========
>
>
> You're 14 now....?
>
> You're probably not, however, the impulsive defaming finger-pointing
> language you have used here for quite some time and continue to use here
> *Against Baker*, or anyone else for that matter that uses the word
"Jewish"
> in just about *any* context, to make him out as a person who "Hates All
> Jews" and "Likes To Beat Jews Over The Head With A Baseball Bat" and is
> "Anti-Semitic" and "Baker's Kind Of People Created The Holocaust" and
> "Etc", with NO EVIDENCE YET PUT UP ON OUR SCREENS TO SUBSTANTIATE YOUR
> ACCUSATIONS, LIBEL, AND ALLEGATIONS remains your fucking problem.
>
> As well as anyone else who writes that kind of bullshit about other people
> here.
>
> Or anywhere else for that matter, if they don't have the fucking evidence
> and proof to prove the bullshit pouring out of their mouths.
>
> That makes people like you about 14, give or take a month or 2.
>
> No matter how old you really are.
>
> As the world is falling apart at our feet, you're going to slam people for
> "Jewish Remarks" when you have yet to even put up even ONE QUOTE from
their
> keyboards that substantiates it.
>
> Crapola Supremo.
>
> Now, in closing, I'm going over my "Jewish Friends" so you AGAIN do not
> lump me in with the same bullshit you are slinging AGAIN at Baker as you
> have done in the past and continue to do.
>
>
> My best friend as a child was, oh my god!!, A JEW, him and his sister
lived
> about a block from my house, his mother was my mother's best friend, she
> was Jewish also, she was until recently a VERY big person in the American
> Jewish Community POLITICAL organizing efforts nationwide, I am an expert
> guitar player, among other simple and inconsequential accomplishments, one
> of my best friends in Manhattan NYC was a phenomenal guitar player who had
> returned to Manhattan after the Brits in London firebombed his apartment
> there, burning his girlfriend to death and destroying all his equipment,
> over jealousy that he was an American being paid about $5,000 per week to
> do studio work there, he is Jewish, he taught me more than anyone else
> about Guitar on this planet, he was just about to have a complete nervous
> breakdown over it and kill himself when I found him, he was living in a
> little brownstone walkup in Chelsea where Michael Brecker and Chip White
> lived, one of the best paying most enjoyable interesting jobs I ever had
in
> Manhattan was as personal secretary to a music manager of a global
> superstar, a JEW, oh my god!!, gave me the job, we became best friends, it
> was great fun telling people like the head and etc's of NBC, Sony, etc
> "Look, I know who the fuck you are, but he's on another line, you'll just
> have to wait your turn like everyone else...", the reason he gave me the
> job was because he told me I was the only person he thought he could
> actually trust in all of Manhattan, I was a fucking dictaphone typist for
> B'nai B'rith, sitting there all day long with a line of ladies, listening
> to Rabbais talk in my ears all day and typing up their words accordingly,
> it was a great job, even though they were suprised that 1. I was not
Jewish
> and 2. I was a man instead of a woman, and the list of my "I Don't Hate
All
> Jews Like Someone Keeps Saying Other People Do With No Evidence Or Proof"
> is basically endless.
>
> Life is like a spoon.
>
> You can either take it and use it to nourish yourself and the world.
>
> Or you can poke somebody's eye out with it.
>
> It's all in how one uses it.
>
> And so is "The Jewish Vote".
>
> As well as "Any Other Vote".
>
> The only problem with all that is that the "Voters" are literally being
> used, abused, and tattoosed by those who "Need Their Votes" for one reason
> or the other.
>
> And it doesn't matter if they're Jews, Chinese, Irish, or Italian, or Etc.
>
> It's all a bunch of shitheads running around at the top, for the most
part,
> manipulating "All The Votes And Voters" so they can make a buck, get
> prestige, and "move up in the world", while "getting their personal ways
> about everything".
>
> These crappy Manipulators could care less about The Actual People.
>
> They just want their Votes and their Money so they can make the world in
> Their Own Images.
>
> Nothing has changed in Centuries it appears.
>
> Same old bullshit, just like it always was.
>
>
> Again, however, if anyone wishes to keep putting bullshit accusations,
> libel, allegations, etc up here about anyone, you better start putting up
> some PROOF or EVIDENCE to back up all your bullshit, or you're going to
> start to begin to piss me off.
>
> Hugs and kisses...........
>
> I left out <bitchslap> because I'm trying to be nice, and transcend to the
> next plateau of enlightenment without getting caught up in all the
bullshit
> running hari kari around this world by adding to it, participating in it,
> or becoming just another carrier and promoter of it.
>
> Apparently one must be someone like either Buddha or Jesus to be able to
> *instantly* attain such light in one's life.
>
> Oh, but wait a moment, even Buddha and Jesus didn't *instantly* begin to
> "Rise Above All Earth's Bullshit" in the blink of an eye.
>
> Thanks for the information...  Sure, no problem, don't mention it.
>
> If I can be of service in the future, just push the green button on your
> console.
>
>
>
>
> Cheeseburger
>
> - Where has the sparrow gone now that I need its song.
>
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