[Mb-civic] A Planet Of Life

[richard haase]

well at least you dont want to hit jews with a bat like baker
just kidding baker
go ahead im both jewish and christian
spin it
born agains gotta love em
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ian" <ialterman at nyc.rr.com>
To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] A Planet Of Life


> Cheeseburger:
>
> Amen!  In fact, although I'm sure you (and others) will get annoyed with
me,
> you know I can't resist putting a Christian spin on this.
>
> You mention "the lesson of evil that is taught in most cultures."  The
> "lesson of evil" offered in the Judeo-Christian Scripture and construct is
> one of the most "specific."  You talk about "serving the dark powers of
this
> planet."  We give those dark powers a name: Satan, and his minions.
>
> We believe that Satan "controls" people via four primary things: power,
> money, sex (and "immorality") and beauty (i.e., focusing attention on the
> "physical outside" rather than on the "spiritual inside").  The first two
> are the products of "greed" - Satan's most powerful "weapon."  The second
> two are distractions, which keep us from seeing past the "facades" and
into
> the "truth."
>
> It would take far too long to go into the details of all this.  Instead,
let
> me simply provide a few Scriptural quotes that seem prophetic in this
> regard:
>
> "That we should no longer be children, tossed about to and fro and carried
> about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning
> craftiness of deceitful plotting."  Eph. 4:14.  ("Cunning craftiness" is
> always ascribed to Satan.)
>
> "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but
> according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will
> heap up for themselves teachers, and they will turn their ears from the
> truth, and be turned aside to fables." 2 Tim 4:3  ("Truth" is from God;
> "fables" are from Satan.)
>
> "For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work...the coming of the
> lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs,
and
> lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception..."  2 Thess. 2:7-10
>
> "But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come.  For men
> will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud,
blasphemers,
> disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving,
> slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors,
> headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having
a
> form of godliness but denying its power."  2 Tim 3:1-5
>
> According to Scripture, Satan is the "great deceiver," the "father of
lies."
> As someone pointed out during our recent discussion, there is that great
> line in The Usual Suspects when Verbal Kint says to Agent Mujon, "The
> greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't
> exist."
>
> Given all that you point out in your enlightening missive, it seems to me
> that the only thing missing is an ascription to - a naming of - the "dark
> powers" you mention.  You (and others)may see it as an amorphous, if sadly
> understandable, outgrowth of humankind's propensity for greed, power,
> control, etc.  The Judeo-Christian construct has a name for it: Satan.
And
> we see his hand in all of the things you mention.
>
> Peace.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Cheeseburger" <maxfury at granderiver.net>
> To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 6:01 AM
> Subject: [Mb-civic] A Planet Of Life
>
>
> > A Planet Of Life
> >
> >
> > A planet of Life.
> >
> > That's what it's supposed to be.
> >
> > But you look around and, yes, you do see Life, but you see Death,
> > Destruction, Affliction, Tragedy, Disease, Atrocities, Wars, Mass
> Pollution
> > Poisonings from water to air to humans etc, Misery, Suffering,
Injustice,
> > Betrayal, Genocide, Conspiracy, Treason (the "List" of what actually
> > contributes to the Downfall Of Life here *does* go on and on and on,
> > doesn't it..?) as well
> >
> > That makes me wonder.
> >
> > The numbers of fatalities and victims are staggering beyond comparison.
> >
> > Maybe this *is* some weird kind of Twilight Zoney prison planet.
> >
> >        :|      ...shudder......
> >
> > The contributors to the demise of the well-being of Life on this planet
> > read like a cast of characters from a play, it appearing to be so well
> > written beyond description, that it is almost folly to completely ignore
> > something more nuanced than conspiracy, ego and greed as its root cause.
> >
> > Maybe Shakespeare was right and we *are* all just "merely players upon a
> > stage".
> >
> > Maybe it is *all* an Illusion.
> >
> > So extremely fine-tuned that it makes "The Matrix" look like some little
> > tyke goo-gooing in its playpen.
> >
> > Really, take a look at it for a second, hehe....
> >
> > The "supremacy" in this world is based upon 3 basic things (maybe it's
> > more, LOL...), money, weapons, and the power to control commerce.
> >
> > Why is it that the people with the most money, the most weapons, and the
> > most control over commerce run things...?
> >
> > It's a simple formula.
> >
> > They serve the dark powers of this planet in exchange for power over the
> > nations.
> >
> > Hehe....
> >
> > Hey, it could happen...  (Accordian Judy)
> >
> > But the more I look at it all, the more it looks so very strange.
> >
> > Such an across-the-board decimation of a planet's resources and its
> > inhabitants from almost every conceivable angle couldn't just occur as
"a
> > natural flow of events".
> >
> > It had to have help.
> >
> > It more than likely did.
> >
> > I believe it was Einstein before he went on said or wrote something like
> > "We exist in 5 known dimensions, height, width, depth, time, and
> > space.  I've now been able to mathematically definitely figure out on
> paper
> > at least 12 additional ones.  I know there are many many more, but I'm
> just
> > not smart enough to calculate them."
> >
> > If he was right, you've got about 20 extra dimensions just zipping
around
> > you at this time.  24 hours a day.  Or in my case, 25 hours a day.
> >
> > LOL................
> >
> > (You do realize that the earth is rotating at about 18 miles per second.
> > "Every second, while you sit staring at your computer terminal, the
> Earth's
> > orbital motion carries you 30 kilometers, or about 18 miles, through
> > space."
> http://www-astronomy.mps.ohio-state.edu/~ryden/ast161_4/notes13.html  )
> >
> > What's to say someone is not hanging out "over there" whispering in
> various
> > people's ears "At The Top" this and that...?
> >
> > Nothing.
> >
> > True, it might not be able to be proven, but the catch is is that it
> cannot
> > be disproven either.
> >
> > The war for Life on Earth.
> >
> > Stuck in the measly hands of Mankind.
> >
> > LOL........
> >
> > As various personages at "The Top" do the bidding of their "Masters".
> >
> > Hehe....  Always have plenty of popcorn when you watch scary movies.  :)
> >
> > Ok, now all together, kids.  Where does "The Top" appear to be taking us
> > lickedy split no matter who slices it...?
> >
> > Yes, that is correct.  Not Toward Life.  Very good.
> >
> > Now what is the lesson of "Evil" that is taught in most cultures all
> around
> > the globe...?
> >
> > Yes, that's right, The Destruction Of Everything.
> >
> > The Control.
> >
> > Look around you.
> >
> > Can't you see it happening...?
> >
> > Close your eyes.  (Better yet, open your eyes and read news reports from
> > around the planet, hehe...).
> >
> > Can't you see it...?
> >
> > I see the forests disappearing here and there, I see the people dying of
> > cancers from industrial etc pollution, the sky is turning gray from
smog,
> > the good water is disappearing, the weapons get bigger and better and
more
> > radioactive etc destructive every year everywhere, millions of people
are
> > dying from starvation, lack of water, lack of medicine, wars, genocides,
> we
> > won't even count natural disasters, the politicians in most of the
> > countries smile into the camera and spend our money on more crap to end
> > Life while throwing a few crumbs of "see, we surely serve the people" to
> > maintain civil order, all categories of rulers and governments appear to
> be
> > in collusion with Big Business, the world's Biggest Polluters, pollution
> > saturates us, we use radioactive microwaves to fry our dinner, we use
cell
> > phones that use microwaves, the military has microwave weapons, we have
> > nuclear bunker busters, and we, dammit, continue to pay for it all,
> there's
> > no limit to the eternal uses various entities can find for some of the
> most
> > destructive substances on the face of the planet in their valiant sprint
> to
> > "serve the world", nor any apparent end of their desire to exploit us,
our
> > time, our funds, our very being, with anything they can find.
> >
> > Gad, I'm rambling now because the "List" of what is *Killing* Earth and
> its
> > Inhabitants is so long, pervasive, and LONG, that I just get tired of
> > typing it.
> >
> > You already know most of it anyway.
> >
> > So it's *not* a plot...?  A conspiracy...?  There aren't "beings" in
other
> > dimensions or the spirit world or ufo's or whateva influencing the
events
> > on Planet Earth because they don't want to see Life Thrive here for one
> > reason or another...?
> >
> > You say it's just "the natural course of events" and/or "the actions of
> > ruthless people" that have brought us to and continue to bring us to the
> > very maws of gaping "Hell" itself if one sits down and starts to add up
> all
> > the "bad parts" that are decimating everything from a to z globally....?
> >
> > Are you sure........?
> >
> >
> > Well, anyway, I vote for A Planet Of Life, and I believe that if the
human
> > heart believes enough, the mind-body-spirit-whathaveyou can change the
> > world, can stop The Death Machine, reverse it, and get the girl, the
gold
> > watch, and everything, in the twinkling of an eye.  All you have to do
is
> > believe enough.
> >
> > Are you *sure* I'm wrong....?  About everything...?
> >
> > Prove it.
> >
> > Meanwhile, I'm going back to my theory that the reason they explode so
> many
> > nuclear bombs is not to test them, but that they're trying to blow a
door
> > into "heaven" (or somewhere, lol) so they can blackmail them...
> >
> > :|
> >
> > Hehe.....
> >
> > Hey, the very notion of so many Republican thought waves being so
> > concentrated in one of the greatest cities in the world for their
upcoming
> > "conviction" gave me the heebie jeebies and my parakeet began to vomit
in
> > sympatico and I couldn't sleep now if I had to so I thought I'd type
> > something other than weird stuff before I go outside and stare past the
> > moon wondering why the Mars rovers have suddenly stopped communicating.
> >
> > :)
> >
> > "Courage, Willow...."
> >
> > http://www.sherlockian.net/canon/index.html
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheeseburger
> >
> > - Where has the sparrow gone now that I need its song.
> >
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